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Percy
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Message 151 of 533 (726547)
05-09-2014 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Faith
05-09-2014 6:33 PM


Re: The debate is called because of Evo fraud
Faith, you've never had any answers for anything. If your ideas made any sense, after all this time you'd be winning converts instead of inviting ridicule, and you'd be taking the debate to us instead of running away.

--Percy


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Dr Adequate
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Message 152 of 533 (726549)
05-09-2014 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by Faith
05-09-2014 6:33 PM


Re: The debate is called because of Evo fraud
Fraud? Yes, OK, you got us bang to rights. For example, I personally manufactured the Ordovician Period. And I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling kids.
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edge
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Message 153 of 533 (726552)
05-09-2014 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 147 by Faith
05-09-2014 3:36 PM


Re: complexity of geology
Good grief. It is truly amazing how you can twist a simple communication. Obviously nobody is ALLOWED to think there might have been a worldwide Flood and you're going to see to it that such ideas never get a hearing.

Nonsense. You are free to believe whatever you want. But if you are going to post here, you can expect people to call you out whenever you blunder. Unfortunately, that seems to happen a lot.

Well, you're very good at it, I suppose you must be happy with your success. There isn't one thing in your post that honestly responds to anything I said. So you won, you must be very happy indeed.

Actually, I'm quite sad that there are people with such closed minds that they have no desire to learn.

Well, for a moment there, I thought you were going to tell me how I twisted your argument. But I guess not...


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edge
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Message 154 of 533 (726553)
05-09-2014 8:52 PM
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05-09-2014 6:33 PM


Re: The debate is called because of Evo fraud
You were supposedly correcting me by saying we don't find eroded bedrock in sedimentary layers, which is ridiculous since I didn't say and could not have said any such thing, because all I said was that bedrock wasn't eroded.

All I will say here is that there seems to be some confusion; however, it is good to see that we all agree bedrock can be eroded and that is certainly exhibited by what's happening in the Grand Canyon.

Sometimes 'bedrock' can be confused for 'basement rock' which is kind of a subjective term that depends on the geological situation.

Then there is the concept of 'crustal' versus 'supracrustal'. In this case, almost everything we see at the surface is supracrustal and the crustal rocks would be things like the shield rocks or ophiolites.

At any rate, they can all be eroded so long as they are exposed at the surface, and most sedimentary rocks are composed of some component of bedrock.

I suppose that one could say that what we actually see are eroded soils and surficial deposits, but realistically, those are just composed of weathered bedrock.

If you remember the discussion about the age of the Mississippi River delta, the sedimentary grains were giving different radiometric dates depending on where the source rock was. Some of the grains came from the Appalachians to the east and others were from the west part of the Mississippi drainage. In addition, the finer grained material at each location gave the younger dates because they included more in situ growth minerals. My point here being that the mineral dates were telling us the age of the source rocks and not the delta deposit.

With regard to the topic, however, 'bedrock' does not answer my question as to how sediments are derived for deposition in the fludde. If there is no land mass, you cannot derive coarse siliciclastics, particularly conglomerates, or ones that look like river deltas, or sand bars in streams.


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Message 155 of 533 (726557)
05-09-2014 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Coyote
05-09-2014 9:38 AM


Bump for Faith
Since you are trying to ignore this, I'll repost it. Again.

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A worldwide flood would break the continuity of mtDNA, with replacement from Noah's female kin's mtDNA.

We do not see this.

We see continuity of mtDNA across the 4,350 time period assigned to the flood. Its so easy to get that I even have an example from my own archaeological research. (I posted this upthread, but you ignored it.)

And don't quibble about the dating--that's a settled issue.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.


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Faith
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Message 156 of 533 (726578)
05-10-2014 2:10 AM
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05-09-2014 10:44 PM


Re: Bump for Faith
That is off topic, and just a bunch of hogwash anyway. Just one of those typical arrogant claims to know what was in the past that you cannot possibly know.
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NoNukes
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Message 157 of 533 (726579)
05-10-2014 2:11 AM
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05-10-2014 2:10 AM


Re: Bump for Faith
Why are you arguing with losers?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Faith
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Message 158 of 533 (726580)
05-10-2014 2:15 AM
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05-09-2014 8:16 PM


Re: complexity of geology
The only blunders I've seen here are yours and especially Percy's. Yours are more intentional I suspect.

You know what makes ME sad? People who put the fallible human mind above the revelation of God. And yours is particularly fallible, judging by your post in response to my last post, among other things. You need to go back and answer that post again, and since ALL your answers were twisted you need to come up with a whole collection of new answers, honest answers for a change. But since you won't do that, congratulations on winning the debate by foul tactics, and so long.


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edge
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Message 159 of 533 (726588)
05-10-2014 6:59 AM
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05-10-2014 2:15 AM


Re: complexity of geology
The only blunders I've seen here are yours and especially Percy's. Yours are more intentional I suspect.

I would be interested in knowing what my blunders are. Please go on.

You know what makes ME sad? People who put the fallible human mind above the revelation of God.

So then, you admit that your reasons for disagreeing are religious, not based on science at all?

Can you tell us why revealed truth is better than learning? Why are we allowed to learn?

How do you know, to a certainty, that you have not been deceived? I understand that Satan is a pretty clever guy.

And yours is particularly fallible, judging by your post in response to my last post, among other things.

My, my, sensitive tonight, aren't we? Okay, what is fallible about my reasoning? Please show me the error of my ways.

Nevertheless, maybe this way, you understand what new scientific ideas go through to gain acceptance. In fact, we've probably been taking it easy on you.

You need to go back and answer that post again, and since ALL your answers were twisted you need to come up with a whole collection of new answers, honest answers for a change.

Why do I 'need to' do that? You are making charges here, so I would think that you should at least give me some specific complaints. Are you saying that my failing is that my 'answers are twisted'? Why is that?

But since you won't do that, congratulations on winning the debate by foul tactics, and so long.

What tactics are you talking about? Do you mean using my brain to reason? Is that so bad? Or is it just because I disagree with you? It is interesting to me how you know that I will, or will not, do something.

You know, I have usually found that the one who 'wins' is the one best prepared. What do you think?


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Message 160 of 533 (726589)
05-10-2014 7:02 AM
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05-10-2014 2:15 AM


Re: complexity of geology
Faith writes:

But since you won't do that, congratulations on winning the debate by foul tactics, and so long.

A very wise woman once told me something, just as I was about to storm out the door, leaving angry rejoinders in my wake, that changed my life:

"You don't have to get mad to leave."


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Percy
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Message 161 of 533 (726591)
05-10-2014 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Faith
05-10-2014 2:15 AM


Re: complexity of geology
Faith writes:

The only blunders I've seen here are yours and especially Percy's.

What you're calling blunders are only failed attempts at guessing your meaning. No one here except you has made any blunders about geology, and those blunders have been both massive and fundamental.

Regarding the complaint you keep trying to resurrect about bedrock, I told you I changed my interpretation of what you meant way back in my Message 114. You never replied. You're giving every indication that it's just another message you didn't bother to read.

You know what makes ME sad? People who put the fallible human mind above the revelation of God.

Two points. First, if you're trying to have a religious discussion then you're in the wrong thread.

Second, isn't it your "fallible human mind" deciding what constitutes "revelation of God" and interpreting its meaning?

And yours is particularly fallible, judging by your post in response to my last post, among other things. You need to go back and answer that post again, and since ALL your answers were twisted you need to come up with a whole collection of new answers, honest answers for a change.

But once again, isn't it your "fallible human mind" making this judgement? And isn't the only way to resolve differences between "fallible human minds" to discuss and analyze the evidence? So when you call "ALL" Edge's answers "twisted", don't you need to be specific about what is twisted about his answers so that he can address your concerns? And if you don't do that, aren't you in essence just engaging in name calling and not discussion?

--Percy


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Message 162 of 533 (726592)
05-10-2014 8:21 AM
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05-10-2014 8:08 AM


Re: complexity of geology
Faith has explicitly stated that she is infallible on thematters on which she has declared herself infallible. Hubris, much?
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Message 163 of 533 (726594)
05-10-2014 8:43 AM
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05-10-2014 8:21 AM


Re: complexity of geology
Faith has explicitly stated that she is infallible on thematters on which she has declared herself infallible.

I don't know how to find where she says that, but I think it funny that the one place on the EvC Forums that she has not found to tell me that I don't understand her position on evolution is in a response to my post asking her to explain her position in more detail.

Of course, such a request understandably frustrates her. Faith does not have any details despite her claims to have spent a decade thinking about why evolution does not work, and she has no idea how to defend her position other than to make assertions that can be disproved without effort. Percy calls that kind of thinking "Indomitable will". I'm being a gentleman today so 'm calling it that too.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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Message 164 of 533 (726595)
05-10-2014 8:51 AM
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05-10-2014 8:43 AM


Re: complexity of geology
I don't know how to find where she says that

Message 1255


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Message 165 of 533 (726596)
05-10-2014 9:06 AM
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05-10-2014 8:51 AM


Re: complexity of geology
Message 1255

Hmm. I was anticipating something of greater scope. Something like her declaration that because she had spent a long time thinking about why evolution was impossible she was not going to even consider alternatives until we had thought for a long time on her ideas.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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