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We can make the same speculation about anything. Those type of points are moot. Referring to the quote in my response.

In point, post 256 has a bunch of verses being interpreted by an athiest with a lot of claims. I'm trying to decide if I even want to take the time to respond. It will be a waste because we will just disagree.

Well, if you don't then half the fun of being here is gone.If you're looking to strengthen your faith by our agreement with your arguments then you have come to the wrong place. We are not the choir. Yes, some will disagree. More like a lot will disagree. OK, OK, the vast majority here will disagree. They do that around here. But, if you want to test your skills ... welcome to the pit!You are trying to carry illogical positions with articles of faith, false assumptions and very weak arguments. You are going to get hit ... real hard.Saying things like ...

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You have to realize the people in your current discussion clearly don't understand biblical record or if they do they don't accept it, nor do they seem to appreciate a revelation from God.

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... is going to get you kicked in the stomach. Yes, we do indeed understand the bible, its history, its meaning and in most cases soooo much better than most of the fundy christians that gallop in here to do battle with the atheists. And, of course, we don't accept your errant bible, nor do we appreciate any revelation from your god since practically no one here believes in your specific flavor of a god.You cannot use juvenile arguments here. We have heard them all hundreds of times over. They are easily overcome since most fundies give no thought to the implications, no thought to debate format and seem to be here only to proselytize. That is too damn easy to defeat.If you want to do dirty to the devil here, then suck it up, research, know thine enemy, grab a handful of crotch and argue, point for point. And for godsake, Blue, have the facts and know what you are talking about. Engage brain before opening mouth. This is not some high school social club. This is the big league.Edited by AZPaul3, : cuz i wanted 2.

Paul I have not seen a single good argument. I can tell you all are in love with each other no doubt. In the midst It's just opinion vs opinion. Quoting dead people is pointless. We disagree that's all. This ain't no big league. It's a debate forum where most people living have never heard of coming to talk about their thoughts because people here are just regular folk. So grab your dick and munch.Edited by Blue, : AddEdited by Blue, : AddEdited by Blue, : AddEdited by Blue, : uuhhh "cuz i wanted 2"

Ok, big boy. Have it your way.

You must be a narcissist. I'm done here. Ty for your kindness. Have fun with the big league.

Another one bites the dust. You're most welcome.

It's a pleasure to watch you work.

My narcissist side says, "Thank you."The outcome was failure, however.

That remains to be seen.

My parents didn't "create" me. They reproduced themselves in me, including all of their flaws. If you really want to use that analogy, then our flaws are God's flaws.My intentions are the product of nature and nurture. In Satan's case, the only place nature and nurture could have come from was God. If it's only based on God's wishes, and if going against God's wishes is "abuse", then it isn't freedom.

On the contrary, it would be damn near impossible to prosecute him: "Mr. Lucifer, did you or did you not choose to fall into the hole that God dug?"

Why wouldn't He? According to what? The Bible? Go figure, Charles Manson's diary says that Charles Manson is a good guy.

It seems lucifer sinned at the exact time man sinned, the serpent getting its legs cut off signifying judgement. And if you read ezekiel 28 it reads to support the idea. Lucifer could go anywhere including heaven and then the earth became his prison. He can be judged on his choice to deceive man.Fyi: we don't believe in a different god we just interpret it differently. Just like siblings would their parent or students their teacher.Edited by Blue, : Add

God created man perfectly with the ability to choose. Just like your parents created you within natural processes originally created by God. Then you developed becoming what you are in free agency. This is also true for lucifer.