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Author Topic:   Perceptions of Reality v3
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Message 4 of 40 (726693)
05-11-2014 8:21 AM
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05-10-2014 2:15 PM


Is that right? Aren't science and faith both subsets of philosophy?

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Message 5 of 40 (726694)
05-11-2014 8:24 AM
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05-11-2014 8:01 AM


Articles of faith, M'lady. They serve as evidence of RAZD's point.

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Message 10 of 40 (726704)
05-11-2014 9:17 AM
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05-11-2014 8:35 AM


Of course, they are articles of faith. They are beliefs that sustain your faith. And to sustain that faith you believe these articles to be true regardless of the lack of evidence. You cannot hold a belief in a god for which there is no evidence outside your own head if you do not have the faith within your head that such exists. Nothing derogatory there. Simple definition.

I know because I believe.

An excellent definition of faith. To "know" based upon a belief sans evidence.

But this is going sideways to RAZD's thread and I do not want to derail it so soon. Maybe later.


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Message 12 of 40 (726707)
05-11-2014 9:47 AM
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05-11-2014 9:08 AM


How many philosophers can fit on the head of a pin?
Do you have one?

That's the problem with philosophies. They do not have to be logical or internally consistent and even if some are does not insure they are correct, whatever that means.

What does one call a logical, internally consistent philosophy to differentiate it from those that are not? I don't know.

Over all, however, I think a good word for philosophy is "useless". But that doesn't help your exploration here. Sorry.


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Message 20 of 40 (726738)
05-11-2014 4:19 PM
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05-11-2014 12:36 PM


Faith and theology are not the same thing.

In RAZD's diagrams I took faith to mean theology, but I cede your point.


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Message 22 of 40 (726749)
05-12-2014 8:30 AM
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05-12-2014 5:32 AM


Re: Not anymore
The big guns in Navel research are being brought to bear by a flotilla of new studies. While other myths have been deep-six'ed the Mitra myth may have been torpedoed, listing badly to port, though it has not sunk. The Mitra hypothesis may regain its sea legs as these studies get cast leeward.

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Message 38 of 40 (727054)
05-15-2014 8:26 AM
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05-14-2014 5:50 PM


Re: Reality can be swayed by faith
Sorry, Numbers, this is basakwards. The stimulus to the bee is not faith but ignorance. The bee flies because it does not know that it can't. Same with religion. People believe some god(s) exists because they do not know that it can't.

To our benefit, of course, the bee doesn't have the mental capacity to recognize its error. The tragedy is that people in religion don't either.


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Message 40 of 40 (727149)
05-15-2014 6:51 PM
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Re: Reality can be swayed by faith
Now you're just getting weird.

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