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Author Topic:   Depositional Models of Sea Transgressions/Regressions - Walther's Law
NoNukes
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Message 206 of 533 (726790)
05-12-2014 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Faith
05-12-2014 2:15 PM


Re: To edge: no tectonic activity in Grand Canyon Paleozoic
I keep trying to get you to focus on a very specific set of facts, but you keep bringing in others which only confuses things.
You don't see anything silly about your position? Your thesis should explain all facts. Bringing in other evidence is exactly what someone disagreeing with you should be doing.

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NoNukes
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Message 218 of 533 (726811)
05-13-2014 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 214 by Faith
05-13-2014 1:12 AM


I haven't laid out all its parts in this thread
You cannot do that because you don't have a model. What you have is a conclusion which all facts must be fit into. Small wonder that you object to people asking about facts that you are not willing to consider. Small wonder that you pretend that relevant issues are a paradigm shift.
Right now I couldn't care less what anybody thinks, you won't consider what I'm saying
Once again you feel you need to tell us how you've suffered by not being believed. It is not about you. You are free to believe what you want and to type what you want. But you cannot post that weak stuff here and not get a rebuttal.
And your own rebuttal response is the perfect opportunity to show me where I've done wrong in my critique. Somehow you always take it as the time to whine. If you want a forum to publish stuff without critique, there is always your blog.
I'm trying to show can be thought of in a different way
Apparently, your 'way' involves quite a bit of selective viewing of the evidence and ignoring of the facts. That is not the least bit convincing. Nobody is going to change away from a scientific method of looking at the evidence until you've shown you have something better.
Let's be specific. When you say that seismic activity should have caused effect X and that effect Y is not enough, why should we believe your unsupported statement? You have zero credentials and no background. From that view point, every answer can be rejected and none accepted. Not surprising that you yourself cannot find anything wrong with your own proposals.
that I'd love to see you all take a flying leap off the GC north rim (it's higher).
I hope your day is blessed. Mine will be.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 240 of 533 (726913)
05-13-2014 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by Faith
05-13-2014 8:32 PM


Re: Thickness of layers doesn't change parallel
That of course is quite wrong but I guess an illustration is needed.
Do you know what the word parallel means? I ask that because your drawing does not show even a single pair of parallel layers. Perhaps you mean to emphasize the maintaining of some other relationship between the layers other than being parallel.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 248 of 533 (726931)
05-13-2014 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by Faith
05-13-2014 9:39 PM


Re: "Parallel"
Actually, I asked you that.
Is the fish in your picture actually parallel to the snake? Nope. Are the scissors actually parallel to anything? Nope.
But at least with this picture I can identify an axis of some kind for each object and I can decide that in the 2D picture, the axes are lines that are parallel to each other. Clearly that is all that this picture shows. I could call those objects parallel in at least that sense. I would be ignoring any thickness those objects have perpendicular to the plane of the paper.
But I'd only be talking about the drawings of the objects. Quite clearly the fish is in water and and the snake, while depicted below the fish is on the surface of the ground. The objects are not really parallel if I take into account how they really appear.
And now back to the picture of the layers which is actually supposed to represent something in 3D. What would be the axes or plane defined by the green layer for example that can be said to be parallel to an axis or plane defined by the orangish layer? Neither layer is horizontal.
I maintain that there is no such line or plane.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 250 of 533 (726957)
05-14-2014 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Faith
05-13-2014 10:14 PM


Re: "Parallel"
What you are saying when you call all of those layers parallel is that we should ignore how the heights of the layers change at various points.
Well, no. That's not what parallel means.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 251 of 533 (726958)
05-14-2014 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by Faith
05-13-2014 10:14 PM


Re: "Parallel"
What you are saying when you call all of those layers parallel is that we should ignore how the heights of the layers change at various points.
Well, no. That's not what parallel means.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 256 of 533 (726975)
05-14-2014 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 252 by Faith
05-14-2014 9:03 AM


Re: "Parallel"
cross section are in fact much more neatly parallel overall
More neatly parallel?
What they prove is that tectonic disturbance did not occur during their laying down at all,
Interesting conclusion. We had an earthquake in Northern Virginia a couple of years ago. The seismic activity was felt at least as far south as Central North Carolina. But when I went outside I found that all of the streets that had been approximately horizontal remained so. Could not see any difference in alignment. The streets were all still nearly parallel to their original planes as far as I could see.
I'm not sure what kind of distortions from perfectly flat and horizontal you would accept as being evidence of tectonic activity, but when you call the layers in your drawing parallel, then I can see that you would ignore any deviation from horizontal anyway.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 274 of 533 (727051)
05-15-2014 7:11 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by edge
05-15-2014 1:17 AM


Re: More unbelievable stuff!
which I'm sure Faith will find laughably incredible since it shows 14 minor transgressive/regressive cycles in 2500 feet of section at the Joggins coal fields of Nova Scotia.
I think it would be cool to discuss the geology of Nova Scotia. After all that area was surely covered by the Great Flood even if Noah never saw it, right? It isn't all about the GC.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 275 of 533 (727052)
05-15-2014 7:15 AM
Reply to: Message 272 by Faith
05-15-2014 3:20 AM


Irony meter hits the peg.
Actually the problem isn't English is it? It's that you don't know how to put a picture into words so that someone else can understand you.
Ouch. Coming from Miss Parallel, that's got to hurt.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 435 of 533 (728046)
05-22-2014 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 434 by edge
05-22-2014 5:36 PM


Re: Summation Time?
Maybe a technical discussion could continue.
I'd like to see the technical discussion continue, but I don't know much geology beyond the rock cycle stuff they teach in general science courses. If you or anyone else out there could comment on one of the following questions maybe that would be of some interest. I understand that the questions are highly subjective, and it is no problem if you change your mind about the answers.
1. What feature of the grand canyon would you say is most problematic for people who maintain that the GC was created in a few months by flood waters.
2. What features of the grand canyon exist for which the scientific explanations are very speculative and possibly bordering on just plain guessing? Surely there are some perplexing features.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 500 of 533 (730618)
06-29-2014 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 496 by Faith
06-29-2014 10:56 AM


The Colorado River drains a large area, some seven states if I recall correctly, so it could be the remains of the water from the Flood that washed through all that area including Monument Valley, but I don't know.
Do you know what a river is?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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