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It's hard to say which is sillier, the fiction in the Bible or the fiction you add to it. (The talking snake is an obvious, obvious, obvious metaphor. The idea of it having legs is just your fantasy.) You're not addressing the post you're replying to; Satan/Lucifer fell into a hole that God dug. If by "we" you mean you and me, FYI I don't believe in any god.

Since when does perfection include the ability to make bad choices?

If YOU read it, the snake is to go on its belly all the days of its life. The metaphor is clear. Depicting something that was not on its belly before hence it had leggs. Yes it is a metaphor and it is clear this was the serpent's (satan) judgement. Even if YOU don't like my interpretation it is still judgement. Satan is still being judged in this passage and clearly a change in what would be normal to on its belly. This could be depicting satan being cast down to the earth. You calling it silly is you being silly. Stop being silly.FYI: Atheism does have a God. The GOD of atheism is nature.

No, it can't be a metaphor for Satan. Its a Jewish story and they didn't have a Satan.

They clearly had a satan, lucifer, etc because this is a Jewish story. It is actually a Hebrew story.Edited by Blue, : Add

I've heard that he was referred to as lucifer. Satan was a later name. Same being. Same as serpent. Breaking it up is stupid.

I believe lucifer is the name for him referring to him being a guardian cherubim. Satan being his name when he became Evil. Serpent being a metaphor referring to lucifer/satan in a pass tense context realizing in that context he is deceptive.Edited by Blue, : Err

Same people. They didn't have a Satan or a Lucifer or the Devil.They had an "adversary", but that was just an inclination that dwells in all of us.

First freedom always reigns supreme even if there is a law. You choose to follow the law or not follow it. Hence choice. Hence freedom. Duh. Nobody can control your thoughts or your actions. I believe this freedom is a gift in my being from God. I can choose to eat a McDonald's burger or I can choose to eat a organic salad. Choice. Freedom. In choice the serpent, satan, lucifer, the devil, chose to eat the McDonald's burger........Edited by Blue, : Err

Wrong. I believe this is a story that took place. Actual history, using metaphores. It is a Hebrew story depicting the fall of satan or lucifer if you want to be technically correct. Ezekiel 28 12-18. Isaiah 14:12-15. There is also a scripture in revelations about the dragon. Don't feel like looking it up. Remember God is telling the story, not man. It matters not what view different cultures have had. Satan is lucifer, the serpent, the dragon, etc.FYI: whatever your view is of scripture it does not change the God or the devil. We all have different interpretations of the same beings.Edited by Blue, : AddEdited by Blue, : ErrEdited by Blue, : Add

Perfection is the ability to choose to abide by God's laws. Perfection is and only should be based on the creator's idea of what is perfect. For fucks sake God is God... Edited by Blue, : Err

So, for those thousands of years, across many generations, God was lying to the Jewish people. He told them they were his chosen people, and then used stories to trick them into believe some wrong things just so that some totally unrelated people in the 21st century could have a cool metaphor.Geez, what an asshole.

It is a trick to an idiot. Explain this trick. Evil has always been evil. The ancients were well aware of it. And further just because God didn't reveal the universe to them does not mean he is tricking them.Edited by Blue, : Err

God told the hebrews that they were his chosen people. He gives them the Garden of Eden story which has a character that they think is a snake. They do not believe in the devil like you do. But secretly, according to you, that snake represents the devil even though God led his chosen people to believe otherwise.All those generations that believed it was a snake and not the devil were lied to by God so that you could have a cool metaphor. He tricked a countless number of people, that he told were his chosen people, into believing something that was wrong so that, thousands of years later, you could have a figure of speech.

You are presuming they believed the serpent was a snake vs it being a metaphor of evil, of lucifer. Further this story is being told centuries after it took place so we don't KNOW what the Hebrews thought. God is telling the story and in tradition Moses is writing it down. Please don't argue the multiple author crap argument. It's trash. Further non of what I'm saying changes that the Jews are God's chosen people.Edited by Blue, : Add