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This is precisely the point I was making. The story does have inferences. In this particular story (and many others in the Bible), you can interpret it and conclude based on the information that is available. In this particular story it is CLEAR case of deception. Especially if you review vs 1. The serpent is SUBTIL. Then all 3 of them being judged. The serpent was judged because he deceived (inferences that they wont die in vs 4). Adam and Eve ate from the tree that Adam was instructed not to eat from, and of course we can conclude Adam told Eve about the tree.I also think it is a good point that the story was designed for those that are faithful. If we think of the biblical God, those that have faith will read this story without all the typical atheist nit picking. Which is another reason why it is a story of deception and judgement. A straight forward reading of it, does present a clear case of deception and judgement.Edited by Blue, : errEdited by Blue, : errEdited by Blue, : edit

Then I'm not sure what point you are making. I'm suggesting the Yahweh is a colossal dick to set things up so he has a reason to punish humanity.

I am not sure why you are calling God a dick (hope you realize you are still calling him God by saying yahweh) when he created life and free agency. What, you don't like rules? Lol.Edited by Blue, : err

Okay, I'll stop calling him a dick (it adds nothing to my point and detracts from my point, I guess).We are still left with the idea that Yahweh set things up in such a way that Adam and Eve would eat the wrong thing. This set a great deal of important wheels in motion that culminated with him sending himself as his son to temporarily die in agony for something he set in motion.I know this is not the topic of the thread but it only seem like it's you and I here so I'm game if you are.Edited by Larni, : grammmarr

IF we interpret the story as satan deceiving adam and eve it is clear that God didn't set them up. This is a case where they were being deceived by satan. The reason they were judged is because they both knew they were not supposed to eat from the tree of good and evil. The point of the story is to teach people to hearken until the word of the LORD. IF people do not hearken until the word of the LORD then they will be judged for each particular sin. It is not that big of a deal. Praise God, don't steal, don't kill, dont lie, love your mother and father, love people....

I honestly don't know why people make such a big deal out of it...

Another argument is that God created evil because of satan. This is a stupid argument. God created free agency which in free agency satan chose to be evil. IF we presume that God is all knowing then yes he knew satan would choose evil but God also knows the final verdict which is deletion of evil entirely and an eternal life with those who love God.

When ever I hear people say 'the point of the story' it makes me think that the actual meaning of the story is being reinterpreted to suit the reader.Yahweh clearly says he created both goos and evil:Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.We know Satan was Yahweh's implement:Psalm 109:7 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.And he's also a kind of Angel lawyer:Zechariah 3:1-2 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. And the Lord said unto Satan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?So are we now to believe that Yahweh did not know Exactly what Satan would do? Yahweh had oversight: he knew exactly what would happen and let it happen. If he had not, the sacrifice of Jesus not be required.

And yet he is content to allow the suffering and early death of the majority of humanity until he deems it is the right time to delete evil.Whey not delete it immediately after Adam and Eve?

It is referring to judgement as well. It Is not saying he creates evil to do evil or rather beings that do evil. Essentially he creates evil as punishment. He means, if you follow the definition of the Hebrew word, calamity.. it has been discussed in prev posts.

Nobody would get a chance at free agency.

In 109:7 it is using the context of satan as "adversary". It is not about the being satan. In ot you will see the word satan being used to mean either the fallen angel/son of God or just adversary.

You are not addressing my main point that Yahweh sets the rules of the game. He set Adam and Eve up to fail.And he needed to do so otherwise there would be no need for Jesus to temporarily die in agony to resolve the situation he himself orchestrated.If he had either not set things up so Adam and Eve would make such a huge mistake (that they had no ability to avoid as they had not the knowledge to make an informed decision) or deleted evil (as you suggest he is capable of) immediately none of the suffering of himself (as his son) would have been necessary.All of the having to accept Jesus (God, according to Christians) as Saviour to avoid Hell would be unnecessary if Yahweh had decided to do things a different way (after all he had no constraints on his power).

How did he set them up to fail?

Evil is a property of free agency. It will be blotted out in judgement. The idea is everyone has to be given a chance at free agency.