If you think about it from a human perspective which is all we have, I would argue we would have lived in harmony with God. Actual evil and good is thought out. Don't get me wrong, good things happen accidently but I don't think they quantify as love. Ditto to evil as hate... We would of lived forever... Seems sureal to think about.
If you view the serpent as satan it would make sense he fell in the moment we fell. I view the story as past tense so where it called the serpent SUBTIL it is telling it after it would of occurred. Saying the serpent was subtil was based on the story. It wasn't to say the serpent had been subtil prior to the story. So the fall was the fall into evil bringing it into reality.
I think it is reasonable to conclude adam spoke with eve. But it is not in the text that adam said that to eve. Ringo's perspective is that you can't draw inferences from vs 4. I disagree. A billion people also disagree including a huge community of the Jewish people, especially converted Jews. This is not something new. Also if you read vs 1 it is clear the story is about a DECEPTIVE serpent that is JUDGED separately for its sins. Look at the usage of SUBTIL in vs 1 to understand how it was a separate being being deceptive
I don't read that to mean he is running around controlling all events. I interpret it to mean God is involved in events fitting his plan. The scope of the verse should be understood within the scope of the bible which does include free agency.
No you are wrong. Stop hating on the Bible. Think with a open mind not with your preconceptions. Look at the Hebrew lexicon definition. It is talking about calamity especially if you read the entire chapter. You are interpreting it to your own personal agenda and desires.
There is also the point that he was choosing evil AND delivering justice. We see this with satan in job 1. Satan is doing God's bidding. If the Jews fell away and God let it happen it would fit perfectly.
Evil is a English word being translated from the Hebrew word ra' which has several meanings including "evil". You do need to understand the context of the chapter to understand what is meant by "evil" in that verse. This is true for any literature, it is referred to as critical reading.
Reread my point. I said it could mean evil. In Genesis it does mean evil. Read my post pay attention. It is contextual to the chapter that it is meant as calamity. Look at the other translations as well.
Duh. You didn't get what I was saying about him being wrong. Wrong = the context. Ra does have several meanings. Evil, bad, calamity,... The context IS important. Look at the chapter. It is clearly meaning evil as in calamity or evil as in punishment. It is clear. Stop hating on the bible. This must be a community filled with atheists whom don't bother with context.
So the slaughtering of women at Shechem was an evil created by God, the Babylonian exile was an evil created by God, the enslavement in Egypt was an evil created by God and for all we know the holocaust was too.
I am not sure how these evils were created by God?
So what evil is God not responsible for creating?
God is not responsible for evil. God is responsible for free agency. God is responsible for punishing evil.
Why would I stop hating books that justify murder, enslavement, capital punishment for trivial crimes, rape, and teaches people that their loved ones are being tortured forever because they couldn't convince them that Jesus is saviour?
Where does it read any of this...
It's like one of the worst collections of writings in the history of mankind - responsible for misery and suffering than Nero ever managed.
It is a book responsible for love and the rise of actual peace. Humanity, along with satan is responsible for suffering.
Let me rephrase this a different way, if religion is the creation of humanity than religion is not the issue.