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faceman Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
No, but then I wouldn't do any of those things based on the non-existence of gods, either. You must be the exception to the rule then. Seems a lot of your friends are organizing and establishing creeds and such. They probably just want the tax exempt status.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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You must be the exception to the rule then. Seems a lot of your friends are organizing and establishing creeds and such. Actually, none of my many atheist friends are doing so.
They probably just want the tax exempt status. They'd have to exist first. The IRS looks askance at imaginary people who live in your head. --- Can you remind me what this is meant to have to do with anything? It seems that now you're just being wrong freestyle, as it were. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
How about your favorite, Dr. John Sanford? He also doesn't see your --- or his --- delusions about genetics playing out in the real world. In that respect, he's like all the geneticists who haven't retired, got religion, and gone nuts.
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faceman Member (Idle past 3411 days) Posts: 149 From: MN, USA Joined: |
Actually, none of my many atheist friends are doing so. Well that could be, I did hear it was just the cool atheists that are doing it.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Really?
Thanks to your link I'm in the process of getting ordained as a minister of that church. I'll have to find out whether that church is registered in my country or not, though. Anyway, if it is, I should be able to legally preside as a Church Minister at the upcoming wedding of my daughter. It's a way for me, personally, to legally marry couples. Now, that would be totally cool. My daughter and her future husband also think it's a great idea!
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subbie Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
faceman writes: So atheism is in fact a belief system, would you agree with that? Not for me it isn't. Unlike you, however, I'm not include to speak for others, so I won't say it isn't a belief system for anyone. What's your point, if any?Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
If atheism is a beleif system then so in is not beleiving in alien abductions.
The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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subbie Member (Idle past 1280 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
faceman writes: Well that could be, I did hear it was just the cool atheists that are doing it. I'm sure Buddhists will be thrilled to learn they have earned your approval as the cool atheists.Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4440 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Actually this is all that we see in the real world. Genetic disorders are on the rise. Do you have any evidence that genetic disorders are on the rise? Our knowledge of genetic disorders is increasing all the time. Are you just talking about humans here, because we can see many useful mutations showing up in life on this planet. Most mutations that remain in the genome of an organism are neutral or beneficial. Deleterious mutations are selected out. Whether a mutation is beneficial or not often depends on the environment and selective pressure.
Faceman message 126 writes: It increases the genetic load, and since most mutations are not beneficial, that can only lead to a genetic extinction. Genetic load? You are just making this up. What does it mean? Lethal mutations are removed and non-lethal mutations may be the building blocks of useful changes in phenotype as life goes on. Do you have any examples of "genetic extinction"? Can you even define it?What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 310 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Well that could be, I did hear it was just the cool atheists that are doing it. I'm glad to have your advice on what's cool, because word on the street is right now there's nothing so hip as Christian fundamentalism. I hear chicks really dig guys with tambourines. What with that and fornication being a sin, you must be not getting all sorts of pussy.
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JonF Member (Idle past 193 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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And you still have not defined what you mean by "information" so that it can be measured, quantified and compared. At a basic level one can say that the only "information" involved is the molecules A C G and T, the rest is all arrangement. So I could slap some random code down into a compiler and out would come a fully functional program? Then to publish a new version, all I'd need to do is add some more random code? Well I've been doing it all wrong then. ; ) Yes it's the arrangement of the code, in an ever growing genome, that's vital for the ToE not to blow. None of that is a definition of information. What's your definition, or is it just "i sure DOES no it when Ah sees it"?
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Taq Member Posts: 10067 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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How about your favorite, Dr. John Sanford? According to Dr. Sanfords own calculations, rabbits should have gone extinct a few hundred years after Noah's flood. Obviously, rabbits are still doing just fine. Either Sanford is wrong or reality is wrong. Which do you think is wrong?
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Taq Member Posts: 10067 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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So I could slap some random code down into a compiler and out would come a fully functional program? If you allow it to evolve, yes.
[quote]J Mol Evol. 2003 Feb;56(2):162-8. Can an arbitrary sequence evolve towards acquiring a biological function? Hayashi Y1, Sakata H, Makino Y, Urabe I, Yomo T. Abstract To explore the possibility that an arbitrary sequence can evolve towards acquiring functional role when fused with other pre-existing protein modules, we replaced the D2 domain of the fd-tet phage genome with the soluble random polypeptide RP3-42. The replacement yielded an fd-RP defective phage that is six-order magnitude lower infectivity than the wild-type fd-tet phage. The evolvability of RP3-42 was investigated through iterative mutation and selection. Each generation consists of a maximum of ten arbitrarily chosen clones, whereby the clone with highest infectivity was selected to be the parent clone of the generation that followed. The experimental evolution attested that, from an initial single random sequence, there will be selectable variation in a property of interest and that the property in question was able to improve over several generations. fd-7, the clone with highest infectivity at the end of the experimental evolution, showed a 240-fold increase in infectivity as compared to its origin, fd-RP. Analysis by phage ELISA using anti-M13 antibody and anti-T7 antibody revealed that about 37-fold increase in the infectivity of fd-7 was attributed to the changes in the molecular property of the single polypeptide that replaced the D2 domain of the g3p protein. \[b\][i]This study therefore exemplifies the process of a random polypeptide generating a functional role in rejuvenating the infectivity of a defective bacteriophage when fused to some preexisting protein modules, indicating that an arbitrary sequence can evolve toward acquiring a functional role.[/b][/i] Overall, this study could herald the conception of new perspective regarding primordial polypeptides in the field of molecular evolution. [emphasis mine]Can an arbitrary sequence evolve towards acquiring a biological function? - PubMed[/quote]
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5
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Tanypteryx asks faceman
Do you have any evidence that genetic disorders are on the rise? The GOP.- xongsmith, 5.7d
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4440 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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The GOP You got me. A clear case of devolution and genetic extinction. Shit for brains disorder.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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