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Larni Member Posts: 3975 From: Liverpool Joined: Member Rating: 8.6 |
Apart from when god orders rape and murder. There he is using rape and murder to take away the rights of people not to be raped and murdered.
If god had not made us with the capaciry to do evil he would not need to judge us. Why not take away our ability to decide to go to hell by being evil? He could have done it: he can do anything.
I know this is not aimed at me but I do have to take exception. I've 'known' Modulous on this site for nearly ten years and hypocracy is not one of his character traits. Would you care to specify his hypocracy? All the best. The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 5901 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
I don't think that word means what you think it means. Mod may be many things but I don't think he is a hypocrite. What did he say or do for you to come this conclusion? Because it certainly seems there is nothing hypocritical he has said in the discussions with you. Oh yeah Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Modulous Member (Idle past 146 days) Posts: 7789 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I'm pretty sure I'm a hypocrite. I have a pulse after all
On the other hand, I don't think we should confuse the noble art of trolling with someone losing an argument and losing their thin veneer of civility.
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ProtoTypical Member Posts: 1772 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
Well you are certainly more open minded than I am.
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Adminnemooseus Director Posts: 3876 Joined:
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Adminnemooseus Or something like that©.
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Modulous Member (Idle past 146 days) Posts: 7789 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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Jesus'And God so loved the world...' Evil existed before humans. So humans did not create evil. Before humans, Satan was not evil. Therefore evil either has always existed or it was created. There is only one creative spirit. Jesus. But the abstraction of evil is not real evil. For real evil to come into the world, there needs to be evildoers. For evildoers, there needs to be free agency. God created free agency. God created evildoers. God created real evil. But there needs to be more than free agency. There also needs to be the desire to commit evil. It is one thing to be free to commit evil, but if humans lacked the desire, there would be no real evil. For real evil there must be desire. God created desire to commit evil. God created the knowledge of how to commit evil. God created disobedient and curious humans who would acquire that knowledge and their desire to enact it. God, and therefore Jesus, created evil. The Bible provides me with all the evidence I need. SatanSatan did what God told him to, and was absolutely essential to realize God's goals. Satan cannot create evil. Even in the New Testament, whose authors slander Satan at all opportunities by 'creating'* a new character, the devil, and insinuating they are one and the same. Even if we assume he is the temptor - he is working with tools God created - human desire, human's poor reasoning skills etc.
To answer Message 1 The fact of Jesus and Satan is not a fact. It is a Belief. Now...what if this belief were false? 1) People known as Christians would be made out to look as ignorant and stupid as possible. Much of it would be their own fault, for they would try and live as believers and as worldly people at the same time. * by creating I mean by stealing from pagans.
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