Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID

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Article on bakery "facing hundreds of thousands of dollars fine" for refusal to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple Same situation in Colorado only at the time of the report no fines had yet been levied.Here's a story about the Christian photographer in New MexicoAnd a similar situation involving a Washington State floristThe mentality is clear in these situations.There should be more recent news but haven't turned it up yet.You can also google lawsuits against churches over gay weddings.

OK, Faith I think that this is an opportunity for you to learn something and to start fixing one of the problems holding you back in debates. As numerous examples attest you aren't very good on evaluating evidence. You need to understand what the facts are, which claims they support and how the facts support the claims.So, to start.1) which of your claims is supported by this alleged evidence? I think we need not bother with undisputed claims here2) how does the evidence support the claims?

Did you know how much the couple where find for refusing to serve those no good lesbians? Bearing in mind the Fox News link says 'likely to face hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines (as opposed to what they were fined?).That's right: nothing. They were fined nothing. AN alternative to fearmongering

Where is YOUR evidence that they weren't fined because everything I've heard is that they were.The pastors who have been arrested also weren't kept in jail. But some have definitely been arrested and that's enormity enough in a formerly Christian nation.It doesn't matter right now what the specific outcome of a case is. What the stories show is that there is a lot of conflict going on between the gay rights people and Christians and that the courts are against the Christians. These are early cases, we're up to about the early 30s in Germany. The fact that Christians and churches are being baited like this is a sign of more to come.But I'll see what I can track down about the fine because I did hear very recently that a fine had been levied in one of the cases.

Yea serves them right for being bigots.

Exactly.

The time and place where the church stood by as GAYS where being prosecuted made to wear pink triangles, gassed, and sent to labour camps?I would have thought that was your kind of place, where you can just do what you want to people who dont agree with you.

Hey, I put this one up and this photographer WAS fined and the Supreme Court refused to hear the case:US supreme court declines appeal of photographer who refused gay couple | US supreme court | The GuardianAlso the story about the bakery that I posted said that the business was forced to close, and here's that story told by someone else:Sucuri WebSite Firewall - Access DeniedWere they fined? So far it doesn't say, though the other one said they could be. But the story shows the basic attitude toward Christians that is shared by all here at EvC. What a lovable bunch.The Colorado baker wasn't fined but the court tried to force him to bake a wedding cake anyway. Last I heard he refused and is facing prison time.
Baker Faces Prison for Refusing to Bake Same-Sex Wedding CakeGoogle isn't turning up any more recent stories which is frustrating.

Of course you thought that. That's the evil propaganda you all believe here that is going to result in the persecution of Christians.Same as calling us vermin and cockroaches.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Whats the propaganda that they where not mistreated in germany? Or that the christian priest dint have anything to do with it? Or that you dont want to do the same to gays, common you are even offended that they got the same rights as everyone else the right to get married. If you where to put right-wing religious nuts in absolute power you would be doing the same thing to the gays in a month.

Ah priests. Yes, the Catholic Church promoted the persecution and killing of many. They promoted the Holocaust and they were behind the murders in the Croatian massacres. They are not Christians. They murder Christians,. That's what they did in the Inquisition, murdered 50 million Christians.This time you are misidentifying the victims and the oppressors. All part of the propaganda.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Christians leave gays alone. It's the gays who are trampling on the rights of Christians.

But you don't want to leave them alone. You want the right to discriminate against them. You want Christians to have the right to refuse gay people services, which they offer to straight people.You may think that this form of discrimination is perfectly acceptable. Most folks disagree with you.If gay marriage offends you, then you are perfectly at liberty not to marry another woman. You are perfectly at liberty to have those views. You are perfectly at liberty to practice a religion which does not permit gay marriage. It's just that society has said that it's wrong to act on those beliefs in a way which discriminates against someone who is (harmlessly) different from you.We're not attacking your beliefs - we're telling people not to act in a shitty way towards their fellow human beings.

How would you feel if a restaurant refused to serve you because they knew you were Christian?