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Larni
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Message 466 of 1309 (727848)
05-21-2014 5:52 AM
Reply to: Message 462 by Faith
05-21-2014 5:19 AM


Re: evidence
Not true. Only about 5 thousand were killed during the inquisition.

Inquisition death toll


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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frako
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Message 467 of 1309 (727849)
05-21-2014 6:02 AM
Reply to: Message 465 by Larni
05-21-2014 5:45 AM


Re: evidence
How would you feel if a restaurant refused to serve you because they knew you were Christian?

I i where in those parts that's the first thing i would do, i would place a big sign above my shop stating we don't serve Christians because of our religious views.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 468 of 1309 (727850)
05-21-2014 6:04 AM
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05-21-2014 5:19 AM


Re: evidence
Isent it nice when you can claim who is Christian or not. Inquisition not Christian, guy that bombs abortion clinic not Christian, guy that does not want to sell cake to gays Christian, leave him alone he is one of us.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 469 of 1309 (727851)
05-21-2014 6:20 AM
Reply to: Message 463 by Faith
05-21-2014 5:22 AM


Re: evidence
Christians leave gays alone. It's the gays who are trampling on the rights of Christians.

Now tell me who else cant christians serve, does it only apply to gays and their cakes, or also masturbators, anal fuckers, BDSM enthusiasts, trnsvestites ....

And do non sexual crimes against the bible also count, like can a christian clothing salesman sell clothing of diferent types of fabric to one person as it is clear that he will brake the bibles moral code, and wear 2 different fabrics at the same time, or selling womens garments ie skirts to men, or pants to women?

"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." -- Deuteronomy 22:5

"Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together." -- Deuteronomy 22:11

or can a christian hairstylist cut a womans hair short, or leave a mans hair long?

"Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering." -- 1 Corinthians 11:14-15

Can a christian sell emo clothing?

"I will punish ... all such as are clothed with strange apparel." -- Zephaniah 1:8

How fare do your rights to refuse service go ??


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Straggler
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Message 470 of 1309 (727853)
05-21-2014 7:25 AM
Reply to: Message 463 by Faith
05-21-2014 5:22 AM


Re: evidence
quote:
The judge noted that the cake-maker had earlier served cakes for the "marriage" of two dogs, but declined to make cakes for same-sex couples.

Link

So there you go....


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Larni
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Message 471 of 1309 (727854)
05-21-2014 8:21 AM
Reply to: Message 470 by Straggler
05-21-2014 7:25 AM


Re: evidence
To be fair we don't know if the dogs are a gay couple or not.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Theodoric
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Message 472 of 1309 (727856)
05-21-2014 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 455 by Faith
05-21-2014 4:21 AM


Re: evidence
The pastors who have been arrested also weren't kept in jail.

What pastors were arrested for preaching against homosexuality? Please show evidence of this.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 473 of 1309 (727857)
05-21-2014 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 459 by Faith
05-21-2014 5:04 AM


Re: evidence reviewed
Also the story about the bakery that I posted said that the business was forced to close

Are you incapable of reading or are you a liar? Neither article says the business closed, they moved the business to operate out of their home. People have a right to not patronize a business run by bigots. When they refused to bake a cake for a lesbian couple, they made a decision that affected their business. It is amazing how the fundies love to boycott this and boycott that, but cry like little babies whenever they are called to account for their actions.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Larni
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Message 474 of 1309 (727858)
05-21-2014 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 472 by Theodoric
05-21-2014 8:53 AM


Re: evidence
What pastors were arrested for preaching against homosexuality? Please show evidence of this.

I seem to remember the Phelps clan had some good Christian view they were sometimes known to share.

Were they arrested for exercising their freedom of speach, Faith?


The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53

The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286

Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134


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Faith 
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Message 475 of 1309 (727866)
05-21-2014 10:22 AM


Being forced to close their shop even if they continued at home is a pretty big price to pay I'd say. Should have said shop rather than business I guess. Really it doesn't matter what I say, you'll find something to take issue with, it's really quite amazing.

No Phelps arrests that I've ever heard of. I think the courts like the Phelpses, they give Christians a bad name which is a major objective.

50 million Christians were killed over the 600 years of the official Inquisition and another 17 million Jews, Muslims, witches and others as well.

5000 you say? About ten a year? Ha ha, what Jesuit source are you putting your trust in?

ABE: Oh right, Wikipedia. Ha ha.

Don't trust anything written on this subject since the early twentieth century, it's all a whitewash. /ABE

It was indeed the RCC that was behind the murders in Croatia, the Rwanda massacre, and had a lot to do with the Holocaust. Soon as they get the power again they'll reinstate the Inquisition like old times too.

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subbie
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Message 476 of 1309 (727870)
05-21-2014 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 475 by Faith
05-21-2014 10:22 AM


Faith writes:

No Phelps arrests that I've ever heard of. I think the courts like the Phelpses, they give Christians a bad name which is a major objective.

Well then, you can rest easy, my dear. You are safe.


Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung


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ringo
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Message 477 of 1309 (727877)
05-21-2014 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 475 by Faith
05-21-2014 10:22 AM


Faith writes:

Being forced to close their shop even if they continued at home is a pretty big price to pay I'd say.

Businesses are forced to close every day for a variety of reasons. It's not what I'd call martyrdom.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 478 of 1309 (727885)
05-21-2014 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 450 by Dr Adequate
05-20-2014 6:37 PM


Re: Pennsylvania
Interesting fact. The ruling in Pennsylvania was delivered by one Judge Jones. Ever heard of him before? Yes you have. Yeah, it's the same guy who presided over the Panda Trial.

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Faith 
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Message 479 of 1309 (727887)
05-21-2014 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 464 by vimesey
05-21-2014 5:39 AM


Re: evidence
But you don't want to leave them alone. You want the right to discriminate against them. You want Christians to have the right to refuse gay people services, which they offer to straight people.

No, we leave them alone. It is they who come baiting us to refuse them service. They do not have to go to Christian businesses, there are plenty of others who would serve them just fine.

Businesses used to have the right to refuse service, you remember the signs that said "No shoes, no shirt, no service" and "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." You all turn this into a racist thing but the fact is that it hardly ever was a racist thing. In any case refusing service on the basis of race is opposed by the Bible, but Christians must refuse service when forced to support something in violation of God's law, such as gay marriage.

You may think that this form of discrimination is perfectly acceptable. Most folks disagree with you.

Most folks have been sadly propagandized by political correctness for so long they haven't a clue.

If gay marriage offends you, then you are perfectly at liberty not to marry another woman. You are perfectly at liberty to have those views. You are perfectly at liberty to practice a religion which does not permit gay marriage. It's just that society has said that it's wrong to act on those beliefs in a way which discriminates against someone who is (harmlessly) different from you.

And there's the propaganda. I'm sure it convinces you and all those other folks you mention, which merely means you are going to be the persecutors when push comes to shove. Like everyone else on this thread you also prefer terms that misrepresent the case. "Offends me?" No, offends God, is a violation of God's law. Has nothing whatever to do with me personally. If I'm a Christian I refuse to have a part in violating God's law. So "society" will just have to throw me in the dungeon.

We're not attacking your beliefs - we're telling people not to act in a shitty way towards their fellow human beings.

Yeah you've all been pushing this line for the whole thread. You ARE attacking Christian beliefs and that's all this is all about in the end. We oppose gay marriage so we're being set up to act on it and be persecuted for it, having OUR freedoms violated, but that doesn't matter, only gay freedoms matter, not Christians.' Gay marriage is a violation of God's law. Also of common sense, but common sense no longer exists. Homosexuals are just a species of sinner, they are not a special human class, but you have made them into that so now you can persecute those who rae of a different opinion. The devil has done his work SO well, one does really have to admire his effectiveness at bamboozling the human race.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 480 of 1309 (727890)
05-21-2014 1:32 PM
Reply to: Message 479 by Faith
05-21-2014 1:12 PM


Re: evidence
It is they who come baiting us to refuse them service.

You have produced absolutely no evidence for this claim. Do you want to try?


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