Persecuted Christians finally getting noticed

And now released again . And here's another report

Complicated politics in the Sudan, one bunch objecting to the decisions of another bunch and both with enough political power to back up their opinions. And the personal situation is also complicated. Meriam has enemies on her Muslim father's side of the family, which her husband says are really after her successful businesses, but whether that's their motive or not they are persecuting her for being Christian with a Muslim father.

Yes you are right about the legal situation in Sudan. Her defense could really be considered to be an objection to the law itself IF as you say simply being born to a Muslim father is enough to define her as apostate, despite her having been brought up a Christian by her mother after he deserted the family. Of course since she has always lived as a Christian she's going to object to the imposition of a Muslim law. Especially having never lived as a Muslim in her 27 years and having been married to a Christian man for three years before this happened to her. Israel is no longer a theocracy and Christianity certainly isn't, so you are very wrong about what "our" religious laws are.Your accusation of Christianity of being soft on what YOU think we should do about apostasy is based on the usual confusion between Old and New Testaments.First, the ENTIRE context of Deut 13: 6-10 is about enticing others to follow other gods, it's not about the person's own apostasy. Go read verse 6 again.I haven't read enough of Rushdoony to have a clear idea of what he thinks but imposing Old Testament law in today's pluralistic society makes zero sense. Ancient Israel was a specially created earthly theocracy, while Christians are to understand our citizenship is in heaven, not on earth. There is nothing in the New Testament to justify such measures against apostates anyway. Kick them out of the church, that's about it. Of course the RCC took it quite a bit further but Protestants consider them the apostates. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No, they were meant for the theocracy of Israel.

Now they are accusing Meriam Ibrahim of forging her papers from South Sudan and threatening to jail her for that. GuardianDaily MailEdited by Faith, : No reason given.

I'd love to live in a theocracy myself, but all that really means is I'd like to live among true believers, because it would only work for true believers, and in that case there really wouldn't be any need for laws anyway as we'll all be following God. It's not something I want to impose on unbelievers, which is why I said it wouldn't work in this world, and Christians aren't a theocracy, that's just my own personal choice. The only way I'll get that kind of life is in heaven.I too am just going to wait for definite news about Meriam Ibrahim rather than trying to keep up with all the conflicting reports.

You are right, that is not the way I remember it and since you don't offer proof I don't have any reason to change my mind. I definitely remember not wanting to be in the position of persecuting unbelievers.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

No news about Meriam but I thought this was interesting: "Christians deface our honor and we know how to get revenge for that" said Meriam's brother, HERE.

Basically that they wouldn't have a place in my theocratic state as I recall. I was trying to find a way to secede from the US in that thread, didn't want to deal with people who would hate being ruled by the Bible, but since it would mean having to make them leave I realized that such a state is impossible on this planet.

It doesn't say ALSO, it's ENTIRELY about enticing others.

I was considering the ramifications of seceding from the union in order to have a Christian state. I figured that unbelievers could remain there if they wanted but of course to maintain it as a Christian state would mean that nonChristians couldn't have a say in the politics. Obviously. They could have a say in decisions that affect their own practical situation, through representatives and town meetings and that sort of thing but they couldn't have law-making or law-interpreting positions. Obviously, if it's to be a Christian state. I don't think of this as being a hardship as long as they are decent people because I think of a genuinely Christian government as being peaceable and benevolent.As for Meriam Ibrahim, Allah is not God and she is not being prosecuted by God's law, and she would agree with me about that.ABE: The role played by her family is to make her a criminal apostate, whatever their motives happen to be. This is typical of Islam, family members punishing other family members for supposed violations of Islam, or Shariah law. /ABEChristians aren't yet being persecuted here but they sure are in other parts of the world, by Muslims particularly and particularly in Africa, but also by Hindus in India, by the Communist government in China and so on.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Your story is quite interesting in itself of course, but you seem to be forgetting that I already came to the conclusion that the kind of community I was considering is not possible on Planet Earth. The US Constitution would suffice if only it hadn't been co-opted by the Left. So in the end I conclude that no rational government is really possible on Planet Earth. Even if one gets started well it isn't going to last. Fallen humanity is going to defeat it every time.

I don't know, but the passage in Deuteronomy 13 is only about enticing others away from God.

I'd agree that every culture has some version of God's Law, but the only true version of it is in the Bible, and there are a lot of contradictions between that version and the other versions to make the point. Just for one point find one place in Shariah Law where slaves are given any kind of humane treatment as is spelled out in the Bible. Find any place in the Bible that speaks of honor killings of family members, or any execution of anybody without due process of law. The sons of Jacob committed such a crime in revenge for the rape of their sister but they were clearly out of line. They showed that they had a mentality something like Islam at that time, but when God's Law was given it condemned such behavior. And even with all that they didn't kill their sister as Islam would do.Also find one place in the Bible where people outside the covenant people of Israel are subject to the laws given to the Israelites. But Islam's version of the law prescribes jihad against unbelievers outside their own community, has passages in the Koran telling them to kill Jews and Christians.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The meaning of the Constitution has been changed from what it was originally intended to do to a Leftist twisted worldview, especially the First Amendment. If you don't know what I'm talking about there's no hope of getting it across to you.The rest of your post is incomprehensible as well.