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OS Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
quote:While I don't agree, that would be a very useful statement. Edited by OS, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Supercooling has been known to do the reverse of "electron" capture. You're sounding pretty wacky. Reference, please.
The Wikipedia chart has some example of Argon "decaying" into Potassium A quick look at Wikipedia and I can't see any such chart. Link to the chart, please.
I also doubt heat and pressure together will ever be tried. It would ruin the lab equipment. Ah, you're going full-bore ignorant nutjob now. Heat and pressure together have been tried many times. Once you've got a suitable pressure vessel, dab on a little insulation and you've got a heat and pressure vessel.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Nope. Essentially all of the K->Ar decays emit a 1.460 MeV gamma ray and a neutrino. Therefore [the] process emits energy.
While I don't agree, that would be a very useful statement. Yup, nutjob.
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OS Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
You're sounding pretty wacky. Reference, please. I am not your peer. Look it up yourself.
A quick look at Wikipedia and I can't see any such chart. Link to the chart, please. It's under Argon.
.. Heat and pressure together have been tried many times. Once you've got a suitable pressure vessel, dab on a little insulation and you've got a heat and pressure vessel. Yeah, in other words, you think ceramic rock is enough. That's a load of crap. Edited by OS, : No reason given. Edited by OS, : No reason given.
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OS Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
Nope. Essentially all of the K->Ar decays emit a 1.460 MeV gamma ray and a neutrino. Therefore [the] process emits energy. Takes energy or releases energy. I would have to see it, but hiting something with a rapid neutron doesn't give a lot of energy. I suspect it is something else. Yup, nutjob. Edited by OS, : No reason given.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
It's under Argon. Where under "argon?" I think you're making things up.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
OS writes:
Are you suggesting that the decay of Potassium-40 is reversible? And that that would call into question the validity of Potassium-Argon dating? If so, pertaining to the topic, how do you explain the correlations with all of the other dating methods? Wouldn't they all have to be reversible at an exactly coincidental rate?
I was wondering if there was a way to convert Argon-40 into Potassium-40, in a lab.
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OS Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
Where under "argon?" I think you're making things up. While not atomic number 40, there are Argon isotopes which turn into Potassium. There's an isotope chart for Argon. Edited by OS, : No reason given.
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OS Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
Are you suggesting that the decay of Potassium-40 is reversible? It seems only implied, so far. And reversibility at the same rate sounds to me, atomically unlikely. But if you want to get into tree rings and ice core samples as proof; you should be disappointed by it. Tree rings are the training ground of radiocarbon daters, and ice core samples is impossibly stupid; I mean total nutjob, as in worse than making a wacky assumption.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
OS writes:
You don't seem to know what you're talking about. The gist of this thread (and its several companions) is that different dating methods, based on entirely different processes, produce the same dates. To show that one method is invalid, you'd have to show that they are all invalid.
Tree rings are the training ground of radiocarbon daters, and ice core samples is impossibly stupid;
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
You're sounding pretty wacky. Reference, please.
I am not your peer. That's obvious.
Look it up yourself. When you make a claim, you support it.
A quick look at Wikipedia and I can't see any such chart. Link to the chart, please.
It's under Argon. I looked. They do note that 39Ar doecaays to 3K. Nothing to do with 40Ar and 40K. Remember you wroe:
Decays of Argon-40 to Potassium-40 could be made by supercooling. The subject is 40Ar and 40K.
Heat and pressure together have been tried many times. Once you've got a suitable pressure vessel, dab on a little insulation and you've got a heat and pressure vessel.
Yeah, in other words, you think ceramic rock is enough. That's a load of crap. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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JonF Member (Idle past 188 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
It's under Argon.
Where under "argon?" I think you're making things up. The Wikipedia article with a chart showing 39Ar decaying to 39K. Whic has nothing to do with his claim that supercooling would turn 40Ar into 40K. Remember Simple? This guy reminds me of him without the clarity of exposition. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.
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OS Member (Idle past 3291 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
Whic has nothing to do with his claim that supercooling would turn 40Ar into 40K. Try again, I didn't make that claim. I was investigating possibilities. Did you notice Ar-41 and Ar-42 also? Edited by OS, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
t is a logical conclusion. Supercooling has been known to do the reverse of "electron" capture. The Argon article shows Ar40 as being stable. I note that you claim below that the reaction is described in the Wikipedia article on Argon. I took a look at the wikipedia entry on argon. I don't see any description of the reverse decay you say is there. Could you either provide a pointer or acknowledge your error? There is also that pesky energy problem that works in the opposite direction as your post suggested. From the article
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Are you suggesting that the decay of Potassium-40 is reversible? It seems only implied, so far Implied by what?
Tree rings are the training ground of radiocarbon daters, and ice core samples is impossibly stupid; I mean total nutjob, as in worse than making a wacky assumption. Cool. Let's hear about why those things are nutjobs. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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