Persecuted Christians finally getting noticed

We already told you that we are unable to read it because we would need to buy a subscription. How then could you expect us to quote the article to you? For that matter, Theodoric specifically requested that you provide the quote.All we have to go by is your personal opinion of what it says. Given your consistent history of misunderstanding what you read, such that you have frequently claimed support for your ideas that simply did not exist in the articles. If your history on things that we were able to check has been so poor, why should we suddenly believe you when we cannot verify the article?Then it turns out that the author is notorious for being what Theodoric called her, "right-wing nutjob". You may as well have cited FOX News as an "unbiased" source for your persecution fantasy.

Well, things were quite different half a century ago. For one thing, there wasn't a Religious Right trying to seize political power in order to use government to impose its will on society. Nor was there a highly visible right-wing religious presence declaring culture war on the rest of society.You're upset because you're not liked? Do you want to be liked? Well then be likable. You feel that you are hated and you don't want to be hated? Well then stop being so hateful! When you talk about wanting to make all who don't believe exactly as you do second-class citizens who will have no voice in the government and be subjected to harsh Christian laws, didn't it ever occur to you that they might not think very kindly of you either?Learn to play nicely with others. Stop demonstrating that "Christian love" is a code-word for vitriolic hatred. And please stop with all that damned lying! Creationists constantly lying about science and about what scientific sources say. Christian revisionists constantly lying about US history and about what the Founding Fathers said -- you yourself fell victim to those lies, so you know what I'm talking about.IOW, if Christianity is supposed to make us better people, demonstrate that!

There's a local creationist activist who always claims that he used to be an atheist, but it turns out to be a lie -- the guy is the most pathological liar I have ever encountered.His story is that he became an atheist as a teenager so that he could indulge his bubbling hormones without guilt. In his story, he claims that it was evolution that did it since it offered him the excuse to sin without guilt. In reality, it was his religion that had done the trick since it had created that gaping loophole for him and many others. But the real kicker is that he told me that when he was an atheist he would lie in bed every night praying to God. Yeah, some atheist that!More often, when a fundie claims to have been an atheist it was usually that they just didn't both with religion.

I would hope that you had realized that that was the plural form of "you" that I was using. It isn't always all about you (sing.), after all.Many individual Christians are actually quite decent people, believe it or not. Many of them do try to practice the finer points of Jesus' teachings. But as a group they are being misled into violating those teachings. They've been lied to into joining a culture war and they've been misled into fighting that culture war. And they've been led into believing their side's propaganda, which is that they are being persecuted in American society and viewed with hostility.Well, that hostility may well be there. After all, isn't the schoolyard bully regarded by his victims with hostility? And when that bully starts whining about how nobody likes him, isn't that nothing more than hypocrisy? The same hypocrisy we see in "true Christians" when you (pl) whine and complain about not being liked.But the "true Christian" thirst for political power is the truly scary part. Their political mentors, the Christian Reconstructionists, have spared no ink in decry the ideas of democracy, human rights, and religious rights as heresy that had been created by Satan. At the same time, they advise their followers to use appeals to religious liberty in order to gain a position from which to deny the religious liberties of their opponents ("Democracy as Heresy," Christianity Today, 20 Feb 87).We know what "true Christians" have planned for us. Why would you ever imagine that we should view those plans with anything but fear and hostility. You have declared yourselves to be our enemy. Why would you ever imagine that we should view such declarations of enmity with anything short of apprehension?We have noticed Phat, you, and other "true Christians" here playing the script in your heads that we are hating you and persecuting you because of your beliefs. That is not true. We couldn't care less what you believe; you're just projecting your own hatred of all beliefs that are different from your own. It is your actions and agendae, not your beliefs. Of course, it certainly does not help when you perceive disgreement as being persecution.You (pl) keep reminding me of one of Dr. Hartley's patients (the first Bob Newhart Show). He was a large middle-aged black man who was very bitter and continuously complained that everybody hated him just because he was black. Finally, Dr. Hartley asked whether maybe people didn't like him because he was an unlikable person.You (pl) complain that nobody likes you "true Chrisitians", but why having you stopped to think that that might be because you are very unlikable. The next step in getting people to like you should be obvious, even to a "true Christian". Then why do you keep complaining so loudly, vehemently, and constantly? About something that's not even there.

"God" has absolutely nothing to do with any of this and you know it!Any and all ill will towards "true Christians" is because of their own hostility and evil intentions towards the rest of society. God and the teachings of Christianity have nothing to do with it. Except for the hypocrisy of "true Christians" as they willfully violate their religion's teachings.

And now you know that you were mistaken. And you are now able to correct your mistakes.You're welcome.

Could you please quote pertinent parts from it? It's still blocked to non-subscribers.The events in Sudan are open to interpretation. Culture warriors will interpret as yet another sign that they Christians are being persecuted. Others will interpret them as the real world results of religion gaining political power. It might prove instructional to see how Allen weaves her interpretation.