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OS Member (Idle past 3300 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
No, I wanted more in depth knowledge as to how the general K-Ar-Ca mix works. It has spurred me to read more.
On the magma level, it does look like 40K is being forced to turn into 40Ar and 40Ca by neutrons and protons.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
OK.
That part is outside of my field. I do radiocarbon dating, but have never dealt with the other radiometric dating methods.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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OS Member (Idle past 3300 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
I think I should conclude here too.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Stick around. This is a good place to learn things.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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No, neutrons and protons from the "outside" have nothing to do with it. Potassium-40
is radioactive. It decays, to Ca-40 and Ar-40, all by itself.
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OS Member (Idle past 3300 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
"For a collision between argon 40 and a proton, the result would be emission of either two protons to get Cl-39 or an alpha particle to get Cl-38."
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Neither chlorine-38 nor chlorine-39 are either calcium-40 or argon-40. Sort of like a duck is not a frog, and a persimmon not a paramecium. That, and 40+1-4 does not equal 38, so one argon-40 plus one proton minus one alpha particle ( the four) won't get you to anything-38.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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So the only thing I can say, and it goes against conventional understanding, is that 40K/40Ar decay requires a neutron and the expulsion of a proton. Radioactive decay is a spontaneous reaction. Decay does not require anything except the parent nuclei and the passage of time. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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OS writes:
This would thus mean that, in the cases where the ages of crystals were determined with the K/Ar or Ar/Ar methods, those crystals are actually older than the ages determined by these methods. It would mean that those geologists underestimated the ages of those crystals. "For a collision between argon 40 and a proton, the result would be emission of either two protons to get Cl-39 or an alpha particle to get Cl-38." I will explain why, quickly. For example, the K/Ar method starts working with the crystallisation of minerals. Ar is an inert gas and can't be incorporated in the chemical reactions resulting in the crystal lattices of crystals. That's how we start, from basic chemistry. When the crystal forms, 0% Ar in the crystal lattices. Then the K in those lattices start decaying according to basic physics. The more the percentage of Ar in crystal lattices, the older the crystal. So, old OS is telling us that some Ar in the crystal lattices are removed via protons. OS just confirmed that the earth is old. Very, very old. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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OS writes: On the magma level, it does look like 40K is being forced to turn into 40Ar and 40Ca by neutrons and protons. Luckily for humanity, both the K/Ar and Ar/Ar methods only start working after the magmatic phases. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Coyote writes: Stick around. This is a good place to learn things. Ahmen, indeed.
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JonF Member (Idle past 197 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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On the magma level, it does look like 40K is being forced to turn into 40Ar and 40Ca by neutrons and protons. Not even wrong. Calcium is irrelevant to radiometric dating. As I posted before and you denied, 40K decays to 40 Ar by capturing an electron from an inner shell to turn a neutron into a proton and emitting a 1.460 MeV (minimum) gamma ray and a neutrino. We know this stuff.
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OS Member (Idle past 3300 days) Posts: 67 Joined: |
Luckily for humanity, both the K/Ar and Ar/Ar methods only start working after the magmatic phases. What's your proof?
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
OS writes: Luckily for humanity, both the K/Ar and Ar/Ar methods only start working after the magmatic phases. What's your proof? Pressie is merely calling your attention to a very well known fact, that some rocks contain minerals that take on the orientation of the existing magnetic field as they form. This can happen in volcanic rock, sedimentary rock, and metamorphic rock. The study of such rocks and their layers is called paleomagnetism. This field is how we know the position and orientations of ancient continents over past eons, as shown in videos like this:
--Percy
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