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Faith 
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Message 106 of 137 (730681)
06-29-2014 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by dwise1
06-29-2014 4:00 PM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
I'm not upset about anything.

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Message 107 of 137 (730694)
06-29-2014 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
06-29-2014 3:01 PM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
but the atmosphere has very clearly turned hostile against Christians over the last few decades. You may not have noticed it but I sure do. It's just an atmosphere, not persecution, but it's a big change from half a century ago.
Fifty years ago? I remember that. It used to be that you could hate Catholics and most Americans would nod in agreement. Then we went and elected one of them president. Down hill from there. Civil rights act, teaching biology in science classrooms. Opposition to a war for goodness sake!!

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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PaulK
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Message 108 of 137 (730705)
06-30-2014 1:55 AM
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06-29-2014 3:01 PM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
I think you mean that you "Christians" find it increasingly difficult to legally act on your hostility to others.
The fact that your lot are lying in an attempt to oppose freedom of religion is pretty good evidence of that.

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Faith 
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Message 109 of 137 (730708)
06-30-2014 2:12 AM
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06-30-2014 1:55 AM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
And this post of yours with its slimy and unjustifiable insinuations is a perfect example of the hostility I'm talking about.

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PaulK
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Message 110 of 137 (730710)
06-30-2014 2:20 AM
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06-30-2014 2:12 AM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
Of course what I said is perfectly justified by the evidence. And your hostility to it rather supports my point.

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Faith 
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Message 111 of 137 (730713)
06-30-2014 2:28 AM
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06-30-2014 2:20 AM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
No it's just unwarranted hatred of God and Christians built on lies, misinterpretations, sheer ill will.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 112 of 137 (730715)
06-30-2014 2:32 AM
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06-30-2014 2:28 AM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
Yawn. Even you admit that David Barton is a liar. The Christian publisher of his last book withdrew it for it's inaccuracies. So how is pointing out the sort of thing that he and his followers and allies are up to "slimy" or "unwarranted' or "hate"?

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ringo
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Message 113 of 137 (731803)
06-30-2014 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
06-30-2014 2:12 AM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
Faith writes:
And this post of yours with its slimy and unjustifiable insinuations is a perfect example of the hostility I'm talking about.
It isn't hostility against Christianity so much as self-defense against your hostility.

"I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith

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dwise1
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Message 114 of 137 (731808)
06-30-2014 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Faith
06-29-2014 6:30 PM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
I would hope that you had realized that that was the plural form of "you" that I was using. It isn't always all about you (sing.), after all.
Many individual Christians are actually quite decent people, believe it or not. Many of them do try to practice the finer points of Jesus' teachings. But as a group they are being misled into violating those teachings. They've been lied to into joining a culture war and they've been misled into fighting that culture war. And they've been led into believing their side's propaganda, which is that they are being persecuted in American society and viewed with hostility.
Well, that hostility may well be there. After all, isn't the schoolyard bully regarded by his victims with hostility? And when that bully starts whining about how nobody likes him, isn't that nothing more than hypocrisy? The same hypocrisy we see in "true Christians" when you (pl) whine and complain about not being liked.
But the "true Christian" thirst for political power is the truly scary part. Their political mentors, the Christian Reconstructionists, have spared no ink in decry the ideas of democracy, human rights, and religious rights as heresy that had been created by Satan. At the same time, they advise their followers to use appeals to religious liberty in order to gain a position from which to deny the religious liberties of their opponents ("Democracy as Heresy," Christianity Today, 20 Feb 87).
We know what "true Christians" have planned for us. Why would you ever imagine that we should view those plans with anything but fear and hostility. You have declared yourselves to be our enemy. Why would you ever imagine that we should view such declarations of enmity with anything short of apprehension?
We have noticed Phat, you, and other "true Christians" here playing the script in your heads that we are hating you and persecuting you because of your beliefs. That is not true. We couldn't care less what you believe; you're just projecting your own hatred of all beliefs that are different from your own. It is your actions and agendae, not your beliefs. Of course, it certainly does not help when you perceive disgreement as being persecution.
You (pl) keep reminding me of one of Dr. Hartley's patients (the first Bob Newhart Show). He was a large middle-aged black man who was very bitter and continuously complained that everybody hated him just because he was black. Finally, Dr. Hartley asked whether maybe people didn't like him because he was an unlikable person.
You (pl) complain that nobody likes you "true Chrisitians", but why having you stopped to think that that might be because you are very unlikable. The next step in getting people to like you should be obvious, even to a "true Christian".
I'm not upset about anything.
Then why do you keep complaining so loudly, vehemently, and constantly? About something that's not even there.

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dwise1
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Message 115 of 137 (731809)
06-30-2014 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Faith
06-30-2014 2:28 AM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
No it's just unwarranted hatred of God and Christians built on lies, misinterpretations, sheer ill will.
"God" has absolutely nothing to do with any of this and you know it!
Any and all ill will towards "true Christians" is because of their own hostility and evil intentions towards the rest of society. God and the teachings of Christianity have nothing to do with it. Except for the hypocrisy of "true Christians" as they willfully violate their religion's teachings.

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Faith 
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Message 116 of 137 (731810)
06-30-2014 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by dwise1
06-30-2014 2:42 PM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
Complaining? Thought I was just reporting an objective fact. Whatever.

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dwise1
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Message 117 of 137 (731819)
06-30-2014 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by Faith
06-30-2014 3:34 PM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
And now you know that you were mistaken. And you are now able to correct your mistakes.
You're welcome.

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NoNukes
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Message 118 of 137 (731856)
07-01-2014 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Faith
06-29-2014 6:22 PM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
I found the Allen's editorial here:
Charlotte Allen: Meriam Ibrahim and the Persecution of Christians - WSJ.
I find the article to be pretty much as Faith summarized it.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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dwise1
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Message 119 of 137 (731888)
07-01-2014 10:09 AM
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07-01-2014 1:11 AM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
Could you please quote pertinent parts from it? It's still blocked to non-subscribers.
The events in Sudan are open to interpretation. Culture warriors will interpret as yet another sign that they Christians are being persecuted. Others will interpret them as the real world results of religion gaining political power. It might prove instructional to see how Allen weaves her interpretation.

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Meddle
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Message 120 of 137 (731890)
07-01-2014 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 119 by dwise1
07-01-2014 10:09 AM


Re: WSJ on Ibrahim and persecuted Christians
I found the full text for that article here.
Edited by Malcolm, : No reason given.

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