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NoNukes Inactive Member |
All things being equal, teenage boys in states without gun control are going to be more respectful of dads with a gun than they are in states where dad can't have a gun, especially if the dad is a little wimpy guy and the teenage boy is big and strong. What kind of punk-man are you? How do you think households without guns manage this situation?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
marc9000 writes:
Yup, they're going to sneak round behind dad's back. Teenage girls are already adept at that (or so I hear ). All things being equal, teenage boys in states without gun control are going to be more respectful of dads with a gun than they are in states where dad can't have a gun...."I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Teenage girls are already adept at that (or so I hear ). That surely must be the case. That teen pregnancy Map Dr. Adequate posted suggests that states with lots of guns also tend to have lots of teen moms. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
It seems like if anything there's a correlation between teenage pregnancy and people getting shot. Teenage pregnancy, people getting shot, and the U.S./Mexican border. The same political party that is illegal immigrant friendly, blames hardware (guns) for the increased violence illegal immigration causes. Imagine that.
But then a lot of people want to live in a society where the police don't shoot citizens. It's quite the dilemma, isn't it? Seems to be quite a dilemma for my opponents in this thread, since there have been no direct comments thus far about my link detailing the police shooting of an unarmed 19 year old girl.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
So guns are for threatening teenage boys for doing what teenage boys do? Threatening teenage boys? They have many uses; threatening out-of-control-horny teenage boys, threatening violent criminals, mercifully killing rabid animals in heavily populated areas, the list is long.
I just want to be clear: do you advocate shooting a teenage boy just for sleeping with your daughter? That "crime" is punishable by death? I never said that. I want teenage boys to be aware that a spur of the moment passion of a girls father could cause them to get shot if they don't think twice about having their way with her.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I never said that. I want teenage boys to be aware that a spur of the moment passion of a girls father could cause them to get shot if they don't think twice about having their way with her. Or if they don't think twice about dropping by to play a game of backgammon. Kids are already afraid of getting caught by parents. The reaction to that fear is to make arrangements not to get caught. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Is the gun industry wrong to do this, if the U.S. government is one of its most enthusiastic customers? At about the 2:50 mark, it said this will "revolutionize law enforcement capabilities".
When referring to the "gun happy U.S." as many seem to in gun control discussions, it's important to realize that so much gun interest is within the U.S. government.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
it's important to realize that so much gun interest is within the U.S. government. And? Who is advocating for law enforcement to have more lethal weapons? Not me.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
Where are guns most prevalent in the developed world - The US. Including the U.S. government.
So much for dads armed with guns fending off interest in their daughters..... Maybe you should consider joining the rest of us in the 21st century. U.S. morals are declining. It's not the fault of the private ownership of guns.
As I sit here in London I can't see any indications of being surrounded by lawlessness. But you apparently know better? I realize that in gun control debates, England is always perfect. I just get the feeling that the U.S. does a few things better than England does. The U.S. covers so much more land area, climate differences, diversity in its population, etc. - the two countries aren't even comparable concerning most issues.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
marc9000 writes: A gun's mere presence (in the hands of the law abiding) is often a deterrent to crime. This is proven time and time again. I've never seen any evidence of that. Feel free to offer some. You have a firm opinion on the gun control debate and have never seen that evidence? You must have formed an opinion without much research. More Guns, Less Crime - Wikipedia Not Found - CSMonitor.com. http://www.unitedliberty.org/...rearms-are-a-crime-deterrent
I can't speak for the US but in Canada police guns are highly controlled. A police officer who even fires his weapon on duty is highly scrutinized. If civilian gun control was even a fraction of police gun control I would be happy. I remember hearing years ago that the New York City police force has more firepower than the entire Canadian military. As I said, the U.S. government loves its guns, and cares nothing about gun control for itself - it's not going to happen.
marc9000 writes: As a gun control advocate, do YOU know why the dept of homeland security needs 450 million hollow point bullets? Because American civilians have 500 million? Could be. The U.S. government doesn't seem to have much respect or trust for its citizens anymore. Edited by marc9000, : No reason given.
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marc9000 Member Posts: 1522 From: Ky U.S. Joined: Member Rating: 1.3 |
punk man writes: it's important to realize that so much gun interest is within the U.S. government. And? Who is advocating for law enforcement to have more lethal weapons? Not me. It doesn't matter who "advocates" any thing about guns concerning what the U.S. government has. The police, the Dept of Homeland Security, the EPA, they will have all the guns they want.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
I remember hearing years ago that the New York City police force has more firepower than the entire Canadian military.
The NYPD has tanks, fighter jets, warships?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Teenage pregnancy, people getting shot, and the U.S./Mexican border. The same political party that is illegal immigrant friendly, blames hardware (guns) for the increased violence illegal immigration causes. Imagine that. I had always supposed the South Carolina, for example, and Tennessee, were not all that close to the Mexican border. Maybe you should analyse the figures using a methodology other than jerking your knee. Shall we have a look at another map?
Seems to be quite a dilemma for my opponents in this thread, since there have been no direct comments thus far about my link detailing the police shooting of an unarmed 19 year old girl. We're still waiting for you to decide whether you're for it or against it. Your ramblings about the "dilemma" it poses your opponents are cryptic to those of us who have the good fortune not to live in your head. Perhaps you could expand on this bizarre fantasy; or perhaps you will on maturer reflection discover that you would look slightly less stupid if you kept it to yourself. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
The police, the Dept of Homeland Security, the EPA, they will have all the guns they want. So what's your argument. The police have lots of guns, so ...Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Percy Member Posts: 22497 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Last time I checked, gun nuts could still vote.
The significant issue is still how to reduce gun deaths. --Percy
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