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Percy
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Message 2596 of 5179 (732241)
07-05-2014 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 2593 by Dr Adequate
07-04-2014 11:54 PM


Dr Adequate writes:
Your ramblings about the "dilemma" it poses your opponents are cryptic to those of us who have the good fortune not to live in your head. Perhaps you could expand on this bizarre fantasy; or perhaps you will on maturer reflection discover that you would look slightly less stupid if you kept it to yourself.
He and Catholic Scientist are like a two-man "The Onion", but focused on gun issues. For many of their messages, nothing more need be said.
--Percy

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ramoss
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Message 2597 of 5179 (732243)
07-05-2014 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 2573 by Dr Adequate
07-03-2014 9:32 PM


No.. 98%. The other 2% are interested in teenage men

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Message 2598 of 5179 (732244)
07-05-2014 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2575 by Dr Adequate
07-03-2014 10:15 PM


Gosh, Marc wants to live in a moral society.. yet.. the places he advocates have as being 'moral' have a higher murder rate, and a higher pregnancy rate.
Gosh, who would have thunk it.

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Theodoric
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Message 2599 of 5179 (732246)
07-05-2014 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 2572 by marc9000
07-03-2014 9:06 PM


Here is the truth behind the 450 million bullet scare claim.
Debunked: DHS orders 450 million .40 caliber bullets for use in America | Metabunk
but you and CS will just ignore and make other idiotic wild ass claims.
posting from phone so not sure if link will work properly.
Edited by Admin, : Fix link.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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ringo
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Message 2600 of 5179 (732250)
07-05-2014 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 2590 by marc9000
07-04-2014 9:57 PM


marc9000 writes:
You have a firm opinion on the gun control debate and have never seen that evidence?
Who said I had a firm opinion? I'm not against guns. Some of my best friends have guns. I'm only against idiots having guns. I think the right to bear arms by idiots should be infringed.
marc9000 writes:
You must have formed an opinion without much research.
The evidence you presented is questionable at best. You seem to be the one who is grasping at any straw that seems to support your position.
marc9000 writes:
I remember hearing years ago that the New York City police force has more firepower than the entire Canadian military.
Well, the NYPD does have more combat troops than we do but we have more long-range transport capability. Let's see New York's finest invade Cyprus.
marc9000 writes:
As I said, the U.S. government loves its guns, and cares nothing about gun control for itself - it's not going to happen.
That's a classic example of a non sequitur.
marc9000 writes:
The U.S. government doesn't seem to have much respect or trust for its citizens anymore.
Reminds me of something that happened around 1775 - an armed citizenry overthrew a government that didn't respect them (or so the myth goes, anyway).

"I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know." -- Faith

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Dr Adequate
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Message 2601 of 5179 (732273)
07-05-2014 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 2597 by ramoss
07-05-2014 8:44 AM


No.. 98%. The other 2% are interested in teenage men
I sacrificed accuracy for snappiness. Can you find it in your heart to forgive me?

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ramoss
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Message 2602 of 5179 (732276)
07-05-2014 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 2601 by Dr Adequate
07-05-2014 6:22 PM


Sure.. the heart was in the right place.

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marc9000
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Message 2603 of 5179 (732279)
07-05-2014 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2592 by DrJones*
07-04-2014 10:26 PM


The NYPD has tanks, fighter jets, warships?
Well no, I don't think they do. But if Canada does have a few, New York's swat teams could probably win a war against them.

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marc9000
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Message 2604 of 5179 (732280)
07-05-2014 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 2593 by Dr Adequate
07-04-2014 11:54 PM


I had always supposed the South Carolina, for example, and Tennessee, were not all that close to the Mexican border.
Very good, neither is northern Kentucky. But even a liberal with their eyes tightly shut can't help but notice the significant increase in the Mexican population in this area. Over only the past 15 years or so, we've seen Mexican restaurants spring up all over the place, I can't go to my local food store more than once or twice without seeing a few of them in the aisle gibber-jabering among themselves in Spanish. I don't think there's a landscaping company anywhere around here that doesn't have an almost exclusive Mexican workforce.
Maybe you should analyse the figures using a methodology other than jerking your knee.
Shall we have a look at another map?
Why yes, your map shows my county of Kentucky to be at the 2.5% to 16.2% range. Must be closer to 16.2 in this case. South Carolina has lots of counties the same shade of yellow as mine, and it's a lot warmer there, so I wouldn't be surprised if there are some Mexicans there, with some South Carolinians that aren't too crazy about it.
But never mind, you don't believe that. South Carolina has more gun violence than the heaven-on-earth New York because SC has more armed citizens - that illegal immigration has nothing to do with gun violence. But wait - you're about to go ballistic and tell me you didn't say that at all! There often seems to be a point in threads you participate in where you don't have an opinion at all - all you do is insult.
marc9000 writes:
Seems to be quite a dilemma for my opponents in this thread, since there have been no direct comments thus far about my link detailing the police shooting of an unarmed 19 year old girl.
We're still waiting for you to decide whether you're for it or against it.
Oh you speak for everyone, and none of you has yet figured out that I don't like it when police shoot unarmed 19 year old girls? And you can't have an opinion of it until I tell you?
Now bring on the insults to amuse your friends, but I won't be responding.

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marc9000
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Message 2605 of 5179 (732281)
07-05-2014 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 2594 by NoNukes
07-05-2014 1:15 AM


Re: The Gun Industry: Making the World a Safer Place
So what's your argument. The police have lots of guns, so ...
History shows that the disarming of the public can have some really bad consequences.
What happens when governments disarm their citizens? «
You believe it can't possibly happen in the less-than-250 year old U.S.?

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Message 2606 of 5179 (732282)
07-05-2014 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 2605 by marc9000
07-05-2014 9:10 PM


Re: The Gun Industry: Making the World a Safer Place
NoNukes writes:
So what's your argument. The police have lots of guns, so ...
marc9000 writes:
History shows that the disarming of the public can have some really bad consequences.
You seem to have forgotten that the question we are discussing is not disarmament, but rather the reason gun manufacturer's advertising those super killing power bullets are a great idea.
Are you saying that you need more killing power to be able to fight the police and the EPA. If that's correct I'd appreciate you letting me know.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Message 2607 of 5179 (732283)
07-05-2014 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 2604 by marc9000
07-05-2014 9:06 PM


I can't go to my local food store more than once or twice without seeing a few of them in the aisle gibber-jabering among themselves in Spanish. I don't think there's a landscaping company anywhere around here that doesn't have an almost exclusive Mexican workforce.
I hear ya marc. Time to start spraying lead.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 2608 of 5179 (732284)
07-05-2014 9:39 PM
Reply to: Message 2604 by marc9000
07-05-2014 9:06 PM


I don't like it when police shoot unarmed 19 year old girls
We have to ask because it seems that you like the idea of teen age boys fearing being shot by irrational dads.
There is also the funny idea that you think Kentucky is a great place to live because you think having teen moms is immoral.
So yeah, we have to ask.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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marc9000
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Message 2609 of 5179 (732285)
07-05-2014 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2595 by Percy
07-05-2014 6:49 AM


Re: The Gun Industry: Making the World a Safer Place
Last time I checked, gun nuts could still vote.
?? So can many illegals - so can those who know nothing about history.
The significant issue is still how to reduce gun deaths.
Here is a Wall Street Journal article that shows some convincing evidence that blaming hardware for human behavior isn't a foolproof answer.
Is any exploration of human behavior completely off limits to gun control advocates?
Richard Dawkins, a respected leader and influential voice in science, has said this;
quote:
The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference.
From what I've seen at forums like this, in textbooks, anywhere science is discussed, these descriptions (no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference) is how science is studied, and taught. Would you say there is blind, pitiless indifference in gun violence? Could the two be related? Are we teaching impressionable public school students that our origins, our existence, doesn't actually have evil or good?
Other subjects, such as history, show that there really is evil and good in the world. I don't see evidence of much history education by posters at scientific forums. Could some new education methods do anything to alter the blind, pitiless indifference that's involved in gun violence?
I'd guess that the percentages of students that become astronomers or biologists are pretty small. Do we have to hammer on ALL students the importance of believing human existence is blind indifference?
I'm tired tonight, and that's pretty raggedy I'll admit, but does that inspire any thought at all, or does it just inspire Dr. Adequate style arrogance? If so that's fine - I have little more to say. But I'm beginning to see that those who take an interest in science are amazingly ignorant of other subjects.
_________________________
On edit - another question; Do you notice any......gleams in the eyes of news anchors/reporters when the breaking news of another mass shooting hits the TV screens? There's no question that their ratings go through the roof when it happens. There's also evidence that some of the more recent shootings were probably "copycat" acts, that the previous reports of mass shootings aroused some ideas in the minds of future shooters. Some sickos get a little jealous when they see the mug of a shooter plastered all over the news, they'd like to get some of that attention too. Does the news media really care if their sensationalism inspires more shootings? Since they reap some pretty hefty profits from mass shootings? How about if we TAX THE HELL out of the news media every time there is a mass shooting? It could be based on the number of minutes (or seconds) they spend harping on it. It could even include Fox news! Would our society really suffer all that much if we only got some abbreviated coverage of these tragedies? Is our morbid sense of curiosity so important that the news media has to constantly cash in on it?
Edited by marc9000, : News media question

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marc9000
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Message 2610 of 5179 (732286)
07-05-2014 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 2599 by Theodoric
07-05-2014 10:30 AM


Here is the truth behind the 450 million bullet scare claim.
[link]
but you and CS will just ignore and make other idiotic wild ass claims.
posting from phone so not sure if link will work properly.
It worked fine! But using hollow points for target practice, and other things about the desperate attempts to downplay government purchases of enough ammo to kill every U.S. citizen, doesn't pass everyone's "smell test"
quote:
...according to retired Maj. Gen. Jerry Curry, a decorated Army war veteran, the Feds' explanation about the bullets fails to pass the smell test.
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If you have a complete trust of government though, you're good!

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