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Your answer is in your statement. "Some" is not "all."

Why is it unknowable?Isn't it just as crazy as music being stored on a tape or in an Ipod? A Victorian era person would say that's pretty crazy. Your problem is that water depostion also explains what we see going on today. We see sediments just like ancient rocks being deposited right now in the ocean, in rivers and in lakes. I've asked you this before, but, 'what makes your flood sediments different?' What I think is REALLY nuts is that if I play CD the same songs come out in the same order every time. This is just a crazy world! Why does it look like it's 'done'? That's like saying history has ended. People a hundred years from now, might disagree. This is a very self-centered viewpoint that seems common in our society these days. As scientists we need to look both back and forward in time, being 'time-centric' is misleading. No, the GC is not a 'done deal' it will continue to erode until the land has been leveled to the sea, or there is another mountain-building event. There is nothing in the geological record to suggest otherwise. Why not? It seems to have done okay up to this point. Life has apparently undergone several crises in the past and still thrived. Not really. Erosion will continue and deposition will continue as it always has. What ever is alive at the time will (might) leave a record of it's passing. Even in modern deep-sea sediments we can see layers that show the eruption of major volcanoes. The tape goes on; imperfectly, but there is no reason to suggest that the process has stopped. The only reason that evolution would end is if all life ended. As long as there is a microbe remaining on the planet life will endure. This is a process and it is far from over. We see only a snapshot of what is going on around us. The fossil record gives us a motion picture of that process. We have not reached the end of time ... yet...

Some didn't, but some others did. I don't see this as a problem. If the deposit was terrestrial, we would expect mud cracks (and guess what....). Or, if it was deep-sea muds, it may never have dried out until it was exposed by erosion. For instance we now see a number of substances, some toxic, weathering out of certain Cretaceous marine shales in the Rocky Mountain west and California. Between our activities and natural erosion, these materials are finally at the surface as you describe it.

For the umpteenth time of asking: why has no crab fossil ever been found among trilobite fossils, or vice versa? Both tend toward being seafloor kinds of critters. Both are flattish, generally small, both have shells - HOW did a flood separate their little corpses 100%?And that example is the first of many hundreds I could find, some of which I have presented before - dimetrodons, triceratops, and ground sloths, for one. How "nuts" is it that one single event can do that kind of sorting?

You're saying the "The Flood" deposition wouldn't follow Walther's Law??? Am I agreeing with Faith and disagreeing with Percy?MooseEdited by Minnemooseus, : Two sentences, and I still had a typo.

Well, no, that's not the answer. The question is whether the "some" that were exposed to air is the same "some" that have the dessication cracks. This is apparently assumed, but the lists have been given separately so I'd wonder if there is really a correlation.

I'm saying it's the Geologic Column that appears to have ended, not time, not history, not even sediments being accumulated here and there. That's why I posted that image. There are places where almost the entire Geo Column is exposed from bottom to top, but even if exposed piecemeal here and there it is considered to be a physical reality, and THAT's what has come to an end. It is a physical phenomenon that supposedly demonstrates an ascent and this is reflected in its physical ascent too, which is quite apparent in the GC-GS area for instance. We don't have the Claron at the bottom of the ocean, there it is at the very top of the entire stack. And it couldn't be anywhere else because it represents Recent time that has accumulated at the very top of the entire ladder of evolution. To locate the next rung of the ladder at the bottom of the ocean, where it is physically not even attached to the Geologic Column as traditionally understood, and couldn't possibly accumulate the fossil evidence of the supposed next rung of evolution, really makes no sense. The traditional Geologic Column is on the continents, on the land mass, and it physically climbs from time period to time period according to OE interpretation, and it serves to demonstrate the Evolutionary model as it climbs. THAT is what has come to an end, that physical representation of ascent, the climbing itself. That doesn't even begin to answer what I'm talking about. But perhaps I've made it a little clearer above. Let me try to be clearer: I'm talking about the GEOLOGIC COLUMN, which the GC and the GS together represent as a physical climb up the ladder of time and evolution. THAT's what's a done deal. What you are describing is a devolution of all that, which really confirms what I'm saying: The traditional Geologic Column that has been the mainstay of OE and Evo theory is a done deal, it's over. History goes on but not the Geo. Column, not that record of ascent that we see illustrated everywhere in support of OE and Evo doctrine. THAT reached Recent time and stopped. You are missing the point, the physical record of ascent. You cannot relocate a physical record of ascent, ascent in miles, ascent in time, ascent in evolution, lower than the model of ascent itself without losing the meaning of ascent itself. Erosion is not the physical record of ascent, it's a destruction of it; deposition to continue the record would have to continue above the most recent layer, it can't start out at the bottom of the ocean and still be the Geologic Column. You are missing the whole point. Of course you would WANT to miss this point, but I would hope you might have a moment of clear honest recognition nevertheless. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

But as I just answered Coragyps, that is of course the question: whether the deposits that are considered to have been exposed to air in the process of the building of the stack are the same ones that have the dessication cracks. It's assumed but I'm not sure it's really established. If I get ambitious maybe I'll try to correlate some of the lists I've seen that purport to describe the way each layer in the GC for instance was originally deposited, with whether they are reported to have dessication cracks. But that would of course support the Flood just fine. The only problem for the Flood would be if the dessication cracks occurred during the period of the laying down of the strata, but if they occurred from later exposure that would be expected.

I have no idea why the Flood did what it did, how could I know? I guess you are sure it wouldn't have sorted things as it did but I don't know how you are so sure of that either. I can only guess that it carried things according to their kind and their location, just guessing same as you. In any case you always bring this up in the middle of a discussion about something else, which makes it off topic.

Then what do you think makes up the geological column? Time? Sediments? Events? Why would it stop? Why isn't it continued in the Mississippi Delta, or the Bahamas Banks, the saline lakes of the Afar, the beaches of the Mediterranean, or the deep sea oozes? I'm not sure what you are talking about. Well, it is near the top of the sequence. And it has been uplifted. So I don't see the problem there. Except for what is yet to come. To you, it makes no sense. But I don't care where it happens. As long as there is sedimentation, the geological record will grow. You have not explained why, you have only asserted that this is so.Why would it all end? Your own doomsday wishes?

It's an observation that it DID end, that the physical record of ascent in space, in time and in evolution, HAS ended, and the image is there to show that fact and all my descriptions make that fact clear as well. You simply refuse to apply your mind to the meaning of ASCENT as the defining element of the Geologic Column as THE model of OE and Evo theory. You keep accusing me of merely asserting things when what I have described makes the point you don't want to recognize. So be it.

Why not. It happens all of the time in the geological record. Sedimentation stops in one place but continues on in another. And your evidence for this is?So, on goes erosion, right? What do you suppose happens to the sediments created by that erosion? Does it disappear because you think that nothing can be deposited after the Claron? Or has erosion stopped also? I'm having a hard time getting your logic on this.
So, where do you think the sediments come from? I'm sure you are right.

So, what's happening to all the foraminifera being deposited in the Mississippi Delta. All those fossils in all of that sediment? Well, sure if a layered sequence is uplifted, sedimentation stops, but what about all of the sediment washed someplace else? Not at all. The only thing I really accuse you of is not answering my questions and refusing to supply evidence for your assertions.

Hey, it's your flood. If you don't know anything about it, what are you doing here arguing for it? Well, I compare what you tell me with what I know about sedimentation and time. And you keep coming up short. Not really. I've studied both sedimentation and paleontology. What you are saying doesn't make sense. It only appears to be that way because you have compartmentalized all data such that there is no relationship between them. To everyone else, erosion is related directly to sedimentation, for instance.

When else would they occur?