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Coyote
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Message 1046 of 1304 (732950)
07-12-2014 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1044 by Faith
07-12-2014 4:55 PM


Re: Pj Re: Geological Time Scale REQUIRES ascent to make sense
No it isn't the same thing. Ancient settlements do tend to build one on top of another as sediments and their own rubbish accumulate.
The layers between the archaeological deposits were not laid down by people. They were laid down by various forces, including wind carried dust.
Just add the time which you deny so much and you have additions to the geological column. Especially when a lava flow covers such a layer.
So, once again your belief has led you astray.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1055 of 1304 (732959)
07-12-2014 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1047 by Faith
07-12-2014 5:28 PM


Re: Pj Re: Geological Time Scale REQUIRES ascent to make sense
Time continues, history continues, sedimentation continues, but neither the Geologic Column nor the Geologic Time Table continue.
Sure they do.
See, it is your beliefs about time that are wrong. There's plenty of time for both of those to build up additional layers, following the same methods as we see in the past.
Go out to the southern tip of Hawaii and look at the lava flows. I saw some there a few years back that were several feet thick--and still warm. That volcano just added a little bit to the column whether you say yea or nay.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1060 of 1304 (732964)
07-12-2014 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1056 by Faith
07-12-2014 5:59 PM


Nonsense (again)
Denying reality that everyone else can see is not a way to spread your beliefs.
St. Augustine was right:
Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.
Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show a vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn.
And your posts have made you the poster child for his comment.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1065 of 1304 (732969)
07-12-2014 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1061 by Faith
07-12-2014 6:16 PM


Re: Nonsense (again)
Augustine was thinking of the REAL sciences of observation, not the bogus sciences of the unobservable past that are just conjured up out of mental cobwebs.
No, he was thinking of Christians who make things up contrary to what the real evidence shows.
Your posts are the perfect example of what he was talking about.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1085 of 1304 (732993)
07-12-2014 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1084 by Faith
07-12-2014 9:26 PM


Re: Depositing on top of the Holocene?
You're right. What that means is there won't be a time period after the Holocene reflected as part of the Geologic Column because it DOES have to be represented by a layer on top of the Holocene. .
What is your reasoning for claiming this?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1110 of 1304 (733027)
07-13-2014 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1098 by Faith
07-13-2014 1:37 PM


Re: The Holocene is a time period!!!
But we aren't in the Pleistocene and there won't be anything after the Holocene.
Absolute nonsense!
You're just making this all up. You have offered no evidence that geology has suddenly run into some big Stop Sign somewhere.
You want another stratum on top of existing ones? One big volcano can do that overnight.
Whether you say yea or nay.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1114 of 1304 (733034)
07-13-2014 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1113 by Faith
07-13-2014 3:11 PM


Re: The Holocene is a time period!!!
The evidence in those two places at least is that it has stopped. Went on for hundreds of millions of years then erosion took over and it's no longer continuing. You claim it's continuing in other places and you think that makes sense. Oh well.
A lot of the layers in the column are volcanic.
If a volcano started up it would leave a layer of lava or ash on top of those places where you claim that it has "stopped."
And then it would not have stopped at all, now would it?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1127 of 1304 (733054)
07-13-2014 4:39 PM


Deposition
(From the stratigraphic position we can be sure that this is very late Holocene.)

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

  
Coyote
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Message 1137 of 1304 (733072)
07-13-2014 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1136 by Faith
07-13-2014 6:06 PM


Re: Evidence ???
Anyway your diagram is composed of strata labeled by known time periods and shows no sedimentation that has accumulated since the most recent there.
The image I posted shows deposition since a road! That's got to be pretty recent.
And it blows your whole argument away.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Message 1140 of 1304 (733076)
07-13-2014 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1138 by Faith
07-13-2014 6:24 PM


Re: Evidence ???
There is lots of new deposition, it's just in the wrong place to continue the Geo Time Table...
Well what does it continue, then?
Hanging in space?
Of course it is on some part of the geological stuff.
You must think we're as daft as you are with the nonsense you keep trying to feed us.
And you really should be adding, "Amen!" after all your posts. Because that's what you are really doing--preaching.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1161 of 1304 (733121)
07-14-2014 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1157 by Faith
07-14-2014 10:04 AM


Re: Massive errosion and massive delta formation
But there is no mechanism I can think of that could have formed such extensive deep layers EXCEPT the Flood, that's why I attribute them all to the Flood.
Of course there is no mechanism you can think of!
You are wearing self-imposed blinders that prevent you from seeing anything but what you want to see. In doing so, you are trying to force a particular view of the world onto nature, and to do that you must ignore most of what nature is trying to tell you.
So it is not surprising to us that you can't think of a mechanism here.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1261 of 1304 (733266)
07-15-2014 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1255 by Faith
07-15-2014 1:04 PM


Still wrong

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1272 of 1304 (733287)
07-15-2014 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1263 by Faith
07-15-2014 1:58 PM


Re: Still wrong
Lava and Rock layers on a road, Ascension Island, Atlantic | Flickr
What you believe is wrong, as usual.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1285 of 1304 (733306)
07-15-2014 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1276 by Faith
07-15-2014 5:08 PM


Re: Still wrong
Not coal seam!

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Coyote
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Message 1288 of 1304 (733311)
07-15-2014 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1286 by Faith
07-15-2014 9:43 PM


Re: definitely not a coal seam
Of course that is not a coal seam, but there is also no indication that it relates to what you posted earlier either and in any case it is not a layer in the stratigraphic column so what is your point?
I posted lava earlier, and without a shred of evidence you determined it was a coal seam.
As I have stated many times already, you have no business even thinking about science. You are simply not qualified.
You have accepted a belief system that requires you to be wrong on just about everything that relies on evidence from the natural world. Why should anyone take anything you say as being accurate?
Were you to say that the sun rises in the east, I would check it out for myself.
And how you expect anyone anywhere to respect your religious beliefs based on your dismal record in these posts is astounding. More likely you are driving people away from religion in droves.
St. Augustine was right.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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