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NoNukes
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Message 1267 of 1304 (733278)
07-15-2014 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 1266 by New Cat's Eye
07-15-2014 3:09 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
It really is just a big old confused mess, full of nonsense and falsehoods.

I'm trying to avoid the kind of editorializing that seems to be drawing off topic banners lately. But would it be too patronizing if I noted for Faith's benefit that coal is sedimentary rock?

Okay. I'm butting out of the geology thread again. Describing the rock cycle in the terms used in 8th grade science texts is the extent of my knowledge.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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NoNukes
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Message 1270 of 1304 (733284)
07-15-2014 3:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1269 by Faith
07-15-2014 3:23 PM


Igneous rock layers.
You just didn't read carefully enough or get the whole context.

I see your point. Using coal as an example of igneous rock would be an improper example. Which leaves the question of where you get the idea that magma cannot form layers. Would the following be an example of a layer formed by igneous rock that would meet your standards?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layered_intrusion

quote:
A layered intrusion is a large sill-like body of igneous rock which exhibits vertical layering or differences in composition and texture. These intrusions typically are many kilometres in area covering from around 100 km2 to over 50,000 km2 and several hundred metres to over a kilometre in thickness.[1] While most are Archean to Proterozoic in age (for example, the Paleoproterozoic Bushveld complex) they may be any age such as the Cenozoic Skaergaard intrusion of east Greenland.[1] Although most are ultramafic to mafic in composition, the Ilimaussaq complex of Greenland is an alkalic intrusion.

How about this

http://www.nature.nps.gov/.../Sites/DETO/HTML/ET_Igneous.htm

quote:
Magma that cools at or near the Earth’s surface cools very quickly. Therefore, the crystals don’t have time to grow. The resulting rock is called an extrusive igneous rock or volcanic rock and contains crystals that are too small to see with the naked eye. This texture is called aphanitic and the most common aphanitic rock is called basalt. It forms much of the ocean floor.

Is the ocean floor a layer that you would acknowledge as part of the geological column?

It is true that the layers of the geological column are generally sedimentary layers. At least as best as I know. But the base layer is granite, which is not sedimentary. And of course, all rocks, except maybe granite, become sedimentary via erosion.

http://www.britannica.com/...n-and-its-associated-time-scale.

quote:
Most methods for determining relative geologic ages are well illustrated in sedimentary rocks. These rocks cover roughly 75 percent of the surface area of the continents, and unconsolidated sediments blanket most of the ocean floor. They provide evidence of former surface conditions and the life-forms that existed under those conditions. The sequence of a layered sedimentary series is easily defined because deposition always proceeds from the bottom to the top. This principle would seem self-evident, but its first enunciation more than 300 years ago by Nicolaus Steno represented an enormous advance in understanding. Known as the principle of superposition, it holds that in a series of sedimentary layers or superposed lava flows the oldest layer is at the bottom, and layers from there upward become progressively younger. On occasion, however, deformation may have caused the rocks of the crust to tilt, perhaps to the point of overturning them. Moreover, if erosion has blurred the record by removing substantial portions of the deformed sedimentary rock, it may not be at all clear which edge of a given layer is the original top and which is the original bottom.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 1280 of 1304 (733300)
07-15-2014 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1277 by Faith
07-15-2014 5:12 PM


Re: Still wrong -- yep, you in this case
No Nukes took back his error, time for you to do so also.
And that is a coal seam. Look at the examples I linked.

Let's be careful. My error was assuming that you were an idiot. Your point was that the picture showed coal. If that's true, then you had a legitimate argument and at least the form of your argument was correct even if there is a factual mistake.

But of course, if the picture is not coal, you simply made a mistake. That still means you are not an idiot. I made an error regardless of whether that formation is coal or cooled lava.

But don't compound that error as you are doing now. You'd better be sure who has made an error. The picture was taken on a volcanic island. It seems way more likely that you are in error.

Besides that, I've given you some other layers to deal with.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 1283 of 1304 (733303)
07-15-2014 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1282 by Faith
07-15-2014 5:36 PM


Re: You didn't even read the label?
However, if it is CERTAIN that it's lava OK, I'll certainly accept that, but just because somebody says it's lava doesn't convince me because it looks so exactly like the coal seams I linked.

Given the circumstances, namely the location on Ascension Island, do you think the material in question is likely to be coal?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 1284 of 1304 (733304)
07-15-2014 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1281 by Faith
07-15-2014 5:30 PM


That long river in Egypt...
There is no mention of the column being anything other than a vertical stack of sedimentary rocks.

Yes there is.

quote:
In areas that are more geologically complex, such as those that contain intrusive rocks, faults, and/or metamorphism, stratigraphic columns can still indicate the relative locations of these units with respect to one another.

ABE:

I want to expand on my point above. In the stratigraphic column, the presence of igneous rock is ignored because the column is telling the story of the sedimentary layers which are the ones for which we can determine geological and chronological ages. The stratigraphic column is a vertical representation. I'm not the first person to post that today.

And what is the angle in the picture of the Grand Canyon Supergroup rocks. Are they vertical or horizontal?

Finally, when you read the word "representation" and you then read the following, what did you make of the description of a "time column" in which the layers are stacked on top of each other despite the fact that they were not found that way in the field.

quote:
However, in these cases, the stratigraphic column must either be a structural column, in which the units are stacked with respect to how they are observed in the field to have been moved by the faults, or a time column, in which the units are stacked in the order in which they were formed. they also show the lithology of the rock units.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 1299 of 1304 (733322)
07-15-2014 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1291 by Faith
07-15-2014 10:18 PM


Re: That long river in Egypt...
And again, I know there is no such thing as a perfect representative of the Geo/Strata Column anywhere, it's a construct made up of many incomplete representatives.

Stop raising these idiotic objections that have already been answered.

I did not raise the objection uninvited. I brought up the fact that the role of igneous rock and its relationship to the geological column was explained in an article that you claimed did not even mention igneous rock. You do not even have the decency to acknowledge your error.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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