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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All you had to do was take the basic idea, use the same example or another example of your choosing and apply the same principles as YOU think they should be applied since you think my way of doing it was rigged.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
If you can't even make a good-faith attempt at making a case, I don't see why we need to do any more than point out that fact.
And even you admit that you did exactly what I said with your post on Radiometric dating:
I just rattled off that post not caring whether any of it was true or not if you want to know. It was really just a bunch of vague questions I had in mind, it did not come from any creationist site.
Message 35 Edited by PaulK, : Recording Faiths admission.
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edge Member (Idle past 1731 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
From the Geology and the Great Flood forum (Message 53)
Adminnemooseous:
There are a lot of messages, some rather (for lack of a better term) pretty complicated, being directed at Faith.
Well, since some items seem to be of personal preference or, at least, situational, I'd say that some disagreement would be expected.I'm also perceiving some conflicting information being presented by the evo side. The non-admin counterpart (Minnemooseus) would like to address a number of Edge comments, but I'm not up to it at the moment. Bottom line - How about lightening up some? Restrict your posts to saying something really good. And bring up the friendly level. Comment replies to this message are welcome, but do such via the "Whine List" topic. Also, if you will notice, I have not directly addressed Faith in either of my last few posts but directed comments more to those interested or to lurkers. However, I'm game to tune it down a bit. The problem is that my latest contract allows me either to little time or too much and I might end up with too much information at times. If it's overwhelming, I will back off. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add link at first line.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2131 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Minnemooseus--
Your points are well-taken. Certainly we all should be friendlier. And Faith, as part of the "loyal opposition" is a necessary part of this forum. But Faith needs to meet us somewhere close to halfway. Particularly, refusing to accept scientific evidence and the scientific method while claiming to be doing science gets old after a while. If Faith claimed a miracle, that would be one thing, but the consistent errors, misrepresentation, and flat-out disregard of established scientific evidence--all in an attempt to twist that evidence to her liking--gets annoying after a few years. Scientists strive for accuracy, and there is quite a stigma for being wrong. That is how many of us here are trained. I've certainly seen harsher comments than those here at scientific meetings. Given this, I think Faith is fortunate we've as polite as we have.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Coyote writes:
From Faith's point of view, we're the Jehovah's Witnesses and she's doing us a big favour by just coming to the door, never mind listening to what we have to say.
But Faith needs to meet us somewhere close to halfway.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Coyote writes:
From Faith's point of view, we're the Jehovah's Witnesses and she's doing us a big favour by just coming to the door, never mind listening to what we have to say. But Faith needs to meet us somewhere close to halfway. You didn't analogize the part where she gets a free science education that she then spins back at us to suit her own purposes.
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ringo Member (Idle past 437 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes:
It's implied. ringo writes:
You didn't analogize the part where she gets a free science education that she then spins back at us to suit her own purposes. From Faith's point of view, we're the Jehovah's Witnesses and she's doing us a big favour by just coming to the door, never mind listening to what we have to say. Most of us don't appreciate the "education" that we get from Jehovah's Witnesses either. Granted, we don't usually spin it back at them. We just smile and nod politely and wait for an opportunity to close the door. But if Faith did that we wouldn't be talking about her.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But if Faith did that we wouldn't be talking about her. Right, its no surprise that she get's the responses that she does when she behaves the way she does.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3974 Joined: |
I may well have more to say on other aspects, but right now I felt I must comment on this:
Right, its no surprise that she get's the responses that she does when she behaves the way she does. It doesn't surprise me that Faith sometimes gets cranky. Imagine yourself (as in any of the evo side) being in a debate in a creationist dominated forum, and you are the one against the many. Even if "the many" go about it nicely (and here, the evo side sometimes does come up short on that), there is a substantial pressure on you, and you'd be liable to get cranky. One side of the argument being cranky doesn't justify the other side getting cranky. I don't care who started it, you should be nice to your opponent. If you can't be such, maybe you shouldn't be posting that reply. On a side note, one thing I could try doing, is a hard core enforcement of the forum rules. So, look at your messages and see if you find forum rule violation(s). Ideally, there should be none. I think the gold standard is how Percy responds. Maybe we should have a WWPD operational philosophy. "Insert signature here" AdminnemooseusOr something like that.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 827 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
The lengths you go to appease ONE member that shows time and time again that she has no interest in even reading responses except when she deems them rude and to point that out. Time and time again she has openly admitted having difficulty reading the actual, factual and data filled responses, yet here you are, championing her well doing as if she is merely getting picked on for no good reason or getting dogpiled simply for being a creationist. I lament any on the evo side to "debate" Christianity with the ignorance she does for ALL science threads. I'm sure you'd be up their ass quicker than Ted Haggard on a twink selling meth.
Rename this place "faith's personal blog" because you certainly don't hold her to any sort of standard. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
ONE admin has the temerity to VERY MILDLY suggest that the Creationist is being ganged up on so that her reactions are understandable, and out comes the Snark Brigade to get on his case. I guess that's how all gangs defend themselves: the victim deserved it whatever abuse they inflicted on her.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 827 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Thanks for proving my point, Faith. You could have spent some of this time digesting some of the very accurate information presented to you that you claimed to have difficulty in understanding or even cracked open a geology book past the middle school level. But instead, as if by prophecy, you chose to jump in on a low effort post simply to play the martyr.
I got precisely the response I figured I would.Organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident. Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither and die. We are eternal, the pinnacle of evolution and existence. Before us, you are nothing. Your extinction is inevitable. We are the end of everything.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh stuff it and stop lecturing me. You aren't in my position here. You don't have to deal with dozens of hostile respondents every time you open your mouth to make even the most seemingly benign or unobjectionable remark. I have my own agenda here, I play it as I see it, and if I am in a position to follow the scientific information given I often do so. Go wallow in that blue mess you exploded a while back.
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Percy Member Posts: 22489 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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I think the gold standard is how Percy responds. Maybe we should have a WWPD operational philosophy. I can't take any credit for how I'm currently responding to Faith. Whenever I decide to take Faith on in a new thread I try a new approach. I've tried facts, politeness, snark, insults, irony, etc., and none of them have worked. So far in this thread I've been sticking to the facts and have been able to draw only a single response telling me she's ignoring my messages, ostensibly because I'm keep telling her something she already knows, and because they contain links (they contain no links). I'm not myself in favor of putting any moderator pressure on Faith. Years of experience tell us it doesn't achieve anything. It'll just drive her away, and right now EvC Forum is really just The Faith Show. No other creationists are very active. She's carrying a whole discussion board all by herself. --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1469 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm sure you have no idea how discouraging it is to hear that
... (I) have been able to draw only a single response telling me she's ignoring my messages, ostensibly because I'm keep telling her something she already knows, and because they contain links (they contain no links). 1. You many times repeated that the geo column is an abstraction which I'd already said myself dozens of times, yet you go on even now as if I hadn't. 2. The links in that particular message were to the messages you wanted me to read. Those ARE properly called links I believe. For a general answer to why I'm not responding to your posts: 1. I'm wary: I've had some really depressing experiences with the way you misrepresent / misunderstand my arguments over the last year or so; 2. You post a lot in one message, which is often too much to handle on a very busy thread like this one. And often your diagrams and other graphics make me wary (see No. 1); 3. Nevertheless when a thread calms down I often go back to older posts. Whether that will happen or not I can't predict. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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