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New Cat's Eye
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Message 2851 of 5179 (733967)
07-23-2014 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 2850 by Heathen
07-23-2014 10:28 AM


Well its certainly been dumb!
But even after all your ramblings, it still all seems rather pointless.

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Message 2852 of 5179 (733996)
07-24-2014 2:21 AM
Reply to: Message 2851 by New Cat's Eye
07-23-2014 12:42 PM


Dumb enough to keep you guessing..

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mram10
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Message 2853 of 5179 (734156)
07-26-2014 11:07 AM


A handful of examples of people shooting a family member is FAR from the majority. Google "home invasions" in the past 24 hours. You will understand that the VAST majority are criminals with evil intentions.
As for "dark thoughts", that is an excuse for people to rid themselves of accountability. I have had numerous times where someone was rude to me on the roads, while having my pistol close by. The choice whether to shoot them or not was based on, "what will happen in the future?" Thus, those "dark thoughts" are for weak minded individuals looking for an excuse.
As for "Beer bashes", seriously? You are an __________ if you think any logical person would condone drugs and anything causing harm.
ps- two carjackers took a stolen car in philly this week killing 3 children and injuring 3 others. If that were a gun, would you feel any different?
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Message 2854 of 5179 (734165)
07-26-2014 12:18 PM
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07-26-2014 11:07 AM


mram10 writes:
A handful of examples of people shooting a family member is FAR from the majority. Google "home invasions" in the past 24 hours.
Why not Google the thing you want to know - "shootings in the home" in the past 24 hours?
mram10 writes:
Thus, those "dark thoughts" are for weak minded individuals looking for an excuse.
So are guns.

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Percy
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Message 2855 of 5179 (734176)
07-26-2014 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 2853 by mram10
07-26-2014 11:07 AM


mram10 writes:
A handful of examples of people shooting a family member is FAR from the majority. Google "home invasions" in the past 24 hours. You will understand that the VAST majority are criminals with evil intentions.
The aggregate of the data across all homes all across the country is that a gun in a home makes the residents less safe, not more.
As for "dark thoughts", that is an excuse for people to rid themselves of accountability.
So you believe there's no such thing as depression or mental illness? That they're just excuses people use?
Anyway, depression and mental illness are additional factors that contribute to the danger widespread prevalence of guns contribute to society.
As for "Beer bashes", seriously? You are an __________ if you think any logical person would condone drugs and anything causing harm.
I don't follow. How is this a reply to anything I actually said, which was, "The danger comes not from just the owner of the gun but from everyone. That includes the gun's owner, his family, guests, visitors, and birthday party and beer bash attendees."
The point is that the potential danger isn't just from just the gun's owner. The potential danger comes from everyone who enters the house. Every person who might be angry or insane or under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol or careless or irresponsible instead of just being a danger is now a potentially lethal danger.
If the statistics seems unintuitive to you then consider how many times in any year the average house receives an intruder, versus how many times a resident of or visitor to the house is angry or insane or drunk or drugged or careless or irresponsible.
--Percy

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Message 2856 of 5179 (734178)
07-26-2014 3:09 PM


Those that continue to blame the gun, for the act of the sick individual are illogical. Guns make people more safe by pure logic, where-as the criminal makes society less safe. Good luck to you in your blindness

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Message 2857 of 5179 (734182)
07-26-2014 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2856 by mram10
07-26-2014 3:09 PM


This is why the rest of the world worries about Americans.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Percy
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Message 2858 of 5179 (734183)
07-26-2014 4:33 PM
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07-26-2014 3:09 PM


mram10 writes:
Those that continue to blame the gun, for the act of the sick individual are illogical.
The kinds of situations where a gun may be used by a non-criminal to kill someone have already been enumerated several times. The list includes more than just the "sick individual".
Guns make people more safe by pure logic, where-as the criminal makes society less safe.
If you remove from the statistics all situations involving criminals, the number of gun deaths that would not have occurred had there been no gun would still be a large number. Therefore guns make people less safe.
A gun can increase safety by providing protection against potential threats. And a gun can decrease safety by simply being a threat in and of itself. The statistics say the net of these factors is that people overall are less safe when there's a gun in the home.
--Percy
PS - In case you were unaware, when you want to reply to a specific message, there's a little reply button just beneath it.
PPS - Since you don't quote any text it's often difficult to tell what you're specifically replying to. If you need help quoting text just say so.

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ringo
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Message 2859 of 5179 (734251)
07-27-2014 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 2856 by mram10
07-26-2014 3:09 PM


mram10 writes:
Those that continue to blame the gun, for the act of the sick individual are illogical.
I don't think anybody is "blaming the gun" any more than they're blaming a hole in the ground that somebody falls into. They're blaming the idiot who dug the hole and left it uncovered. They're blaming the idiots who own guns.
mram10 writes:
Guns make people more safe by pure logic....
Logic doesn't trump evidence.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 2860 of 5179 (734257)
07-27-2014 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2856 by mram10
07-26-2014 3:09 PM


Guns make people more safe by pure logic ...
Have you noticed how reality doesn't conform to this "pure logic" of which you speak? This suggests that while it may be a pure example of something, that something is probably not logic.

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Message 2861 of 5179 (735858)
08-27-2014 10:58 AM


And yet the saga continues...
Delet duplicate
Edited by 1.61803, : No reason given.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 2862 of 5179 (735860)
08-27-2014 11:06 AM


And yet another incident..
quote:
DOLAN SPRINGS, Ariz. (AP) -- A 9-year-old girl accidentally killed an Arizona shooting instructor as he was showing her how to use an automatic Uzi, authorities said.
Wtf? Honestly.
How did that conversation go?
Child: "Daddy can I shoot a Uzi today?"
Dad: " I have a idea hunni, lets let our 9 year old daughter shoot a Uzi today!."
Mom: "Oh dear you two and those guns."
Instructor: " Ok sweety be sure to ..****BRUUURaaAATT-TATTttaaTTAAAa!!***
Mom: " Oh my."

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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NoNukes
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Message 2863 of 5179 (735898)
08-27-2014 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 2862 by 1.61803
08-27-2014 11:06 AM


Re: And yet another incident..
From the CNN article
The incident raises questions about whether a child should handle such a weapon.
Really? There is some serious doubt about whether we ought not let a 9 year old handle an UZI? How bizarre.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Tangle
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Message 2864 of 5179 (735901)
08-27-2014 5:11 PM


Burgers, bullets and....... babies.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

vimesey
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Message 2865 of 5179 (735922)
08-27-2014 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 2863 by NoNukes
08-27-2014 5:03 PM


Re: And yet another incident..
Really? There is some serious doubt about whether we ought not let a 9 year old handle an UZI? How bizarre.
Just wait and see what the NRA comes up with, in defence of the rights of 9 year olds to shoot sub-machine guns.
All part of their tactics. Defend vehemently the outrageous and the indefensible, and you move the debate away from where it really should be.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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