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Well its certainly been dumb!But even after all your ramblings, it still all seems rather pointless.

Dumb enough to keep you guessing..

A handful of examples of people shooting a family member is FAR from the majority. Google "home invasions" in the past 24 hours. You will understand that the VAST majority are criminals with evil intentions.As for "dark thoughts", that is an excuse for people to rid themselves of accountability. I have had numerous times where someone was rude to me on the roads, while having my pistol close by. The choice whether to shoot them or not was based on, "what will happen in the future?" Thus, those "dark thoughts" are for weak minded individuals looking for an excuse.As for "Beer bashes", seriously? You are an __________ if you think any logical person would condone drugs and anything causing harm.ps- two carjackers took a stolen car in philly this week killing 3 children and injuring 3 others. If that were a gun, would you feel any different? Edited by mram10, : No reason given.

Why not Google the thing you want to know - "shootings in the home" in the past 24 hours? So are guns.

The aggregate of the data across all homes all across the country is that a gun in a home makes the residents less safe, not more. So you believe there's no such thing as depression or mental illness? That they're just excuses people use?Anyway, depression and mental illness are additional factors that contribute to the danger widespread prevalence of guns contribute to society. I don't follow. How is this a reply to anything I actually said, which was, "The danger comes not from just the owner of the gun but from everyone. That includes the gun's owner, his family, guests, visitors, and birthday party and beer bash attendees."The point is that the potential danger isn't just from just the gun's owner. The potential danger comes from everyone who enters the house. Every person who might be angry or insane or under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol or careless or irresponsible instead of just being a danger is now a potentially lethal danger.If the statistics seems unintuitive to you then consider how many times in any year the average house receives an intruder, versus how many times a resident of or visitor to the house is angry or insane or drunk or drugged or careless or irresponsible.--Percy

Those that continue to blame the gun, for the act of the sick individual are illogical. Guns make people more safe by pure logic, where-as the criminal makes society less safe. Good luck to you in your blindness

This is why the rest of the world worries about Americans.

The kinds of situations where a gun may be used by a non-criminal to kill someone have already been enumerated several times. The list includes more than just the "sick individual". If you remove from the statistics all situations involving criminals, the number of gun deaths that would not have occurred had there been no gun would still be a large number. Therefore guns make people less safe.A gun can increase safety by providing protection against potential threats. And a gun can decrease safety by simply being a threat in and of itself. The statistics say the net of these factors is that people overall are less safe when there's a gun in the home.--PercyPS - In case you were unaware, when you want to reply to a specific message, there's a little reply button just beneath it.PPS - Since you don't quote any text it's often difficult to tell what you're specifically replying to. If you need help quoting text just say so.

I don't think anybody is "blaming the gun" any more than they're blaming a hole in the ground that somebody falls into. They're blaming the idiot who dug the hole and left it uncovered. They're blaming the idiots who own guns. Logic doesn't trump evidence.

Have you noticed how reality doesn't conform to this "pure logic" of which you speak? This suggests that while it may be a pure example of something, that something is probably not logic.

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DOLAN SPRINGS, Ariz. (AP) -- A 9-year-old girl accidentally killed an Arizona shooting instructor as he was showing her how to use an automatic Uzi, authorities said.

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Wtf? Honestly.
How did that conversation go?Child: "Daddy can I shoot a Uzi today?"Dad: " I have a idea hunni, lets let our 9 year old daughter shoot a Uzi today!."Mom: "Oh dear you two and those guns."Instructor: " Ok sweety be sure to ..****BRUUURaaAATT-TATTttaaTTAAAa!!***Mom: " Oh my."

From the CNN article Really? There is some serious doubt about whether we ought not let a 9 year old handle an UZI? How bizarre.

Burgers, bullets and....... babies.

Just wait and see what the NRA comes up with, in defence of the rights of 9 year olds to shoot sub-machine guns.All part of their tactics. Defend vehemently the outrageous and the indefensible, and you move the debate away from where it really should be.