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Author Topic:   Creationists as Hyperevolutionists?
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Message 39 of 98 (73413)
12-16-2003 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by John Paul
12-16-2003 3:27 PM


John Paul writes:
What is the intermediate between a single-celled organism without a nucleus and a single-celled organism with a nucleus?
Probably a symbiotic relationship between two single-celled organisms. Picture the nucleus as a parasite that when existing within another single-celled organism created a relationship that increased the overall survival advantage for the both of them.
What is the intermediate between single-celled organisms and multi-cellular organisms?
I don't think there necessarily needs to be one, although it could have gone something link: single-cellular --> bi-cellular --> multi-cellular.
True there are a variety of eyes but is there any evidence to show that one can evolve from the other?
We wouldn't necessarily expect to see a present-day eye evolving into another type of present-day eye. Instead, we would probably expect to see the formation of beneficial light sensitive organs of increasing specialization through time. I reckon light sensitivity was a major feature of the very first cellular organisms since even plants have developed their own specialization upon that ability.
Too bad the fossil record doesn't show anything resembling step-wise change. That is why punctuated equilibrium came about.
Yes, it is too bad, but with all due respect... so what?

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Message 49 of 98 (73427)
12-16-2003 4:06 PM
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12-16-2003 3:50 PM


John Paul writes:
Just-so stories and assertions are not to be confused with evidence- scietific or otherwise. I have heard & read the stories. I know about endosymbiosis (Lynn Margulis).
You asked what it could have been, and I answered. If you were going to reject any and all answers provided, then it was a rather disingenuous request, don'tcha think?
BTW - What is creationism if not another "just-so" story?
There isn't any evidence of a bi-cellular organism.
So what?
Thye point being there isn't ANY evidence an eye can evolve. There isn't any evidence a sensitive light spot can evolve. And there surely isn't any evidence a vision system can evolve.
Sure there is
These are all beliefs
So what? Basically the notion that my pen will fall to the ground when I drop it is just a "belief." The difference is that it is well-supported by observations of reality.
As for the fossil record and punk eek, I was answering another poster. Please try to keep up.
I only asked you to make a point above and beyond a statement that is not in dispute. Did you have one? I notice you didn't offer it here either...

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Message 63 of 98 (73474)
12-16-2003 5:45 PM
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12-16-2003 5:16 PM


John Paul writes:
If you want to impress try something from a peer-reviewed journal.
A Pessimistic Estimate Of The Time Required For An Eye To Evolve, D.-E. Nilsson and S. Pelger, Proceedings of the Royal Society London B, 1994, 256, pp. 53-58.
Lindsay and Dawkins have been refuted by Behe.
Hogwash. Behe's IC arguments are plainly refuted by the evidence.

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