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edge
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Message 391 of 740 (734482)
07-30-2014 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 383 by PaulK
07-30-2014 12:55 AM


Re: Order of events as shown on cross sections
They're not things we would reasonably expect the Flood to produce.
I think this is important.
If we see rocks in the geological record that can easily be explained by mainstream geology and observable processes, why would we rely on a myth (at least partly supernatural) and never-observed processes for an accepted explanation?
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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Message 392 of 740 (734483)
07-30-2014 1:14 AM
Reply to: Message 389 by Faith
07-30-2014 1:05 AM


Re: igneous layers
The context was your claim that igneous rocks within your "geological column" are always intrusive.
I would say that pointing out that tuffs are never intrusive is very relevant to that.

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edge
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Message 393 of 740 (734484)
07-30-2014 1:15 AM
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07-30-2014 1:05 AM


Re: igneous layers
I wish you'd keep track of whom I'm responding to and the context in which I'm responding. Tuff's not being an intrusive rock IS irrelevant within the context defined.
Sorry if I missed other relevant examples you say you posted besides the Cardenas.'
Well, the tuffs would be one of them...
Try post #381.
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edge
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Message 394 of 740 (734485)
07-30-2014 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 392 by PaulK
07-30-2014 1:14 AM


Re: igneous layers
The context was your claim that igneous rocks within your "geological column" are always intrusive.
I would say that pointing out that tuffs are never intrusive is very relevant to that.
Thank you for clearing that up. Yes, materially to this discussion, they are no different from lava flows.
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Message 395 of 740 (734486)
07-30-2014 1:27 AM
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07-30-2014 1:13 AM


Re: Order of events as shown on cross sections
I think that the more important point is the the Flood can't reasonably account for them. Even ignoring the obvious problems that Faith wants to dismiss, the scale and variety of geological structures argue against a single short event accounting for everything. And when we consider the fossils we can't ignore the ordering, or the absence of so many familiar species from strata we should expect to contain them if the Biblical account was even remotely true.

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Message 396 of 740 (734487)
07-30-2014 1:47 AM
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07-30-2014 1:14 AM


Re: igneous layers
dup
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 397 of 740 (734488)
07-30-2014 1:48 AM
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07-30-2014 1:14 AM


Re: igneous layers
The context was your claim that igneous rocks within your "geological column" are always intrusive.
And within my very carefully defined understanding of The Geologic Column they are, the only exception THAT I'M AWARE of being the Cardenas. Sorry if I've missed others but I don't remember them. All the tuffs are NOT in The Geo Column AS I DEFINE IT. That WAS the context whether you like it or not.
I would say that pointing out that tuffs are never intrusive is very relevant to that.
And you would be wrong.

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Message 398 of 740 (734489)
07-30-2014 1:50 AM
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07-30-2014 1:13 AM


Re: Order of events as shown on cross sections
They are exactly what the Flood and ONLY the Flood COULD produce.

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edge
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Message 399 of 740 (734490)
07-30-2014 1:55 AM
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07-30-2014 1:48 AM


Re: igneous layers
And within my very carefully defined understanding of The Geologic Column they are, ...
Then I'd love to hear your explanation of why we find fossil tree branches in some tuffs...
... the only exception THAT I'M AWARE of being the Cardenas. Sorry if I've missed others but I don't remember them. All the tuffs are NOT in The Geo Column AS I DEFINE IT.
And yet, there they are. Clearly depicted as part of a 'geological column', regardless of how you define it.
That WAS the context whether you like it or not.
You don't seem to get the gist of the message here. It is relevant because it proves you wrong.
Oh, wait...

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edge
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Message 400 of 740 (734491)
07-30-2014 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 398 by Faith
07-30-2014 1:50 AM


Re: Order of events as shown on cross sections
They are exactly what the Flood and ONLY the Flood COULD produce.
Please document.
How about an example of something that only the flood would produce.
Edited by edge, : No reason given.

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PaulK
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Message 401 of 740 (734492)
07-30-2014 2:02 AM
Reply to: Message 397 by Faith
07-30-2014 1:48 AM


Re: igneous layers
quote:
And within my very carefully defined understanding of The Geologic Column they are, the only exception THAT I'M AWARE of being the Cardenas. Sorry if I've missed others but I don't remember them. All the tuffs are NOT in The Geo Column AS I DEFINE IT. That WAS the context whether you like it or not
I guess that you are going to have to explain how your definition of "The Geologic Column" can include intrusive igneous rocks and exclude tuffs. And why anyone would adopt such a definition.
Here's your claim again:
All this stuff about the igneous rocks came up way back when I said they aren't part of the geologic column as I envision it and that when they are seen there it is as intrusives, or dikes and sills.
It certainly seems to me that your definition ought to include tuffs.

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Message 402 of 740 (734493)
07-30-2014 2:16 AM
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07-30-2014 1:15 AM


Re: igneous layers
If the tuffs are one of your examples then they are not examples of what I was talking about within the context given, as I SAID. The tuffs do NOT occur within what I've been calling The Geo Column, and what I've been calling the Geo Column IS the context. The Cardenas Basalt, again, remains the ONLY example that DOES fit my definition.

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Message 403 of 740 (734494)
07-30-2014 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 402 by Faith
07-30-2014 2:16 AM


Re: igneous layers
quote:
If the tuffs are one of your examples then they are not examples of what I was talking about within the context given, as I SAID. The tuffs do NOT occur within what I've been calling The Geo Column, and what I've been calling the Geo Column IS the context.
I asked you to explain why they are excluded. There is no explanation there, just an assertion.

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Message 404 of 740 (734495)
07-30-2014 2:19 AM
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07-30-2014 2:02 AM


Re: igneous layers
I am not asking anyone to adopt my definition of the Geo Column, it may turn out in the end that I have to give it up anyway, but I AM asking that at least you all follow the argument and stay within the defined context. The tuffs simply happen to occur outside the area I'm calling the Geo Column, but obviously I have to fit them into the Flood scheme somehow anyway, which I'd be happy to try to do if everybody would stop trying to impose definitions on me that aren't mine.

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Message 405 of 740 (734496)
07-30-2014 2:20 AM
Reply to: Message 403 by PaulK
07-30-2014 2:19 AM


Re: igneous layers
JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T FIT WITHIN WHAT I HAD IN MIND. SHEESH.

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