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Author Topic:   Scientific vs Creationist Frauds and Hoaxes
NoNukes
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Message 105 of 220 (654960)
03-06-2012 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Theodoric
03-05-2012 11:09 PM


Re: Hoax from idscience
Typical creotard format and layout on the website. They all think they are ace web designers too.

For what its worth, I'm used to finding lots of good information on poorly designed, eyeball busting web pages. For example, for some reason, programmers tend to make bad looking web pages full of useful content.

I can forgive bad layout, and atrocious spelling. But it is almost impossible to read more than a couple of sentences without hearing the invisible man whispering rebuttals into your ear using your voice.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 171 of 220 (673203)
09-16-2012 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Dr Adequate
09-16-2012 8:26 AM


What's the motivation?
Here is one man's take on the motivation.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/...ublic_schools_are_evil.htm

quote:
Dethrone God? Man without God? Can a person dethrone God? Absolutely not! The very essence of Communist philosophy is the absence of God. That's why public school teach the lie of Evolution!

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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NoNukes
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Message 181 of 220 (673225)
09-16-2012 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Genologist
09-16-2012 4:58 PM


As soon as we are compelled to believe in the existence of a Creator, we are confronted with the reality of some form of relationship with such Creator.

Thanks for responding. I was concerned that I had put you off of answering Dr. Adequate.

I see several problems with this explanation. One problem is that it is just as easy to believe that the Creator used evolution as his tool. Secondly, my experience is that most Christians don't become Christians for the reasons you cite anyway. The evidence for this is that most Christians are not Creationists of the type that you are. Apparently something other than the method of their creation drives their need to relate to God. For example, nobody said anything to Saul on the road to Damascus about creationism.

Finally I am skeptical that this purported motivation to perpetuate a fraud re: evolution really exists. The fact is that everybody is called into account by earthly authority. We cannot do what we want and still get along with our fellows and stay out of jail. The fact is that most Creationists, Christians, and atheists do chose to be ethical, and that those people who do not behave ethically seem to be of all persuasions.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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NoNukes
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Message 189 of 220 (673247)
09-17-2012 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Genologist
09-17-2012 9:57 AM


Re: motivation for hoaxes and the exclusion of a Creator
Fortunately my mathematics teacher helped me understand (through probabilities) that DNA formation almost certainly cannot be a random event.

At some point and in a thread that is on topic I'd be interested in seeing this mathematical argument presented.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison.

“Choose silence of all virtues, for by it you hear other men's imperfections, and conceal your own.” George Bernard Shaw


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NoNukes
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Message 214 of 220 (735854)
08-27-2014 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by RAZD
08-24-2014 9:02 AM


None, as far as I can tell. Can you tell me why that is? Why do so many creationists seem to be so totally uninterested in the "truth" that the ignore evidence and republish known falsehoods?

Let's give Answers In Genesis a bit of credit for their list of "Arguments to Avoid" which warns against using a relatively large number of particularly stupid answers, and more to the point, for recognizing the harm that such answers do to their own cause.

CMI maintains a list, "Arguments we think creationists should NOT use" which tends overall to be older and even more stupid arguments. CMI is also a bit less emphatic about the arguments not being used.

Both list contain lies and misstatements about evolution and those who accept it, but that's what creationists do.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 216 of 220 (735856)
08-27-2014 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by dwise1
08-27-2014 10:34 AM


Kent Hovind

Hovind's dishonesty is a matter of public record.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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