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Author Topic:   Links for the Creation/Evolution Controversy (not a debate topic)
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Message 46 of 147 (528811)
10-07-2009 12:59 AM


Really nice page on the Earth's history of continental plate movement
History of Global Plate Motions
Supplied by Edge here and also in the following message.
Thanks,
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Message 47 of 147 (530521)
10-13-2009 10:04 PM


The "Thinking Christian" blog
Via Nick Matzke, at Panda's Thumb - Nick says:
quote:
I occasionally comment on the blog of Thinking Christian. The writer is a conservative evangelical sympathetic to ID, but does sometimes indicate some ability to look at evidence, thus leading to above-average arguments.
Nick goes on to cite the Maybe They Really Can’t Tell the Difference article of Oct. 11th. There is also a follow up article, Questions For Those Who Believe Intelligent Design Is Creationism, dated Oct. 13.
The blog in general is Thinking Christian by Tom Gilson.
I'm going to add it to my short list of blogs to keep an eye on.
Moose
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Message 48 of 147 (548502)
02-27-2010 9:47 PM


Rotting fish and taphonomy: what fossilizes?
Stole the subtitle from Panda's Thumb.
They, in turn, refer to:
The Lancelet: Rotting the tree of life
About the fossil preservation or non-preservation of non-hard parts of oganisms.
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Message 50 of 147 (575206)
08-19-2010 3:36 AM


A couple of interesting articles (quote mining / non-believing clergy)
The first one is fairly short. A fine exploration on how the greater context may say the opposite of what a little select quote seems to say:
Jason Rosenhouse (August 26, 2005) - Why do Scientists Get So Angry when Dealing with ID Proponents?
http://www.csicop.org/...show/why_do_scientists_get_so_angry
The second is a 28 page pdf about active clergy members who are considerably less than "full believers":
Daniel C. Dennett and Linda LaScola
Center for Cognitive Studies
Tufts University, Medford MA 02155
March 15, 2010 -
Preachers who are not Believers
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/...n-Believing-Clergy.pdf
I had saved copies of both of these, but managed to track down the sources via my download history. Oddly enough, right now I'm having all kinds of "problem loading page / server not found" problems for all kinds of sites - Thus I can't check if the above links are still good.
Moose
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Add authors and article titles.

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Message 52 of 147 (575402)
08-19-2010 9:32 PM
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08-19-2010 9:49 AM


Key paragraph from "Preachers who are not Believers"
Wanted to add this yesterday, but had internet connection problems.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/...n-Believing-Clergy.pdf
Page 23:
quote:
What gives them this impression that they are far from alone, and how did this strange and sorrowful state of affairs arise? The answer seems to lie in the seminary experience shared by all our pastors, liberals and literals alike. Even some conservative seminaries staff their courses on the Bible with professors who are trained in textual criticism, the historical methods of biblical scholarship, and what is taught in those courses is not what the young seminarians learned in Sunday school, even in the more liberal churches. In seminary they were introduced to many of the details that have been gleaned by centuries of painstaking research about how various ancient texts came to be written, copied, translated, and, after considerable jockeying and logrolling, eventually assembled into the Bible we read today. It is hard if not impossible to square these new facts with the idea that the Bible is in all its particulars a true account of actual events, let alone the inerrant word of God. It is interesting that all our pastors report the same pattern of response among their fellow students: some were fascinated, but others angrily rejected what their professors tried to teach them. Whatever their initial response to these unsettling revelations, the cat was out of the bag and both liberals and literals discerned the need to conceal their knowledge about the history of Christianity from their congregations.
The various seminaries often do not gloss over the problematic aspects of the Bible etc.
Please give the Dreamcatcher topic a try, if anyone wishes to debate this theme.
Moose

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Message 53 of 147 (609450)
03-20-2011 12:18 PM


Punctuated Equilibria video
Discovered via Sandwalk: Punctuated Equilibria
quote:
This is an old video from 1991 but it does an excellent job of explaining punctuated equilibria. That's because it features Niles Eldridge and Stephen Jay Gould.
There are two important lessons for creationists in this video. Let's hope they learn them.
1. The evidence for punctuated equilibria is based on thousands and thousands of fossils covering millions of years. It required a complete fossil record. It has nothing whatsoever to do with gaps in the fossil record. It's the exact opposite of gaps!
2. Evolution is observed when a single species splits into two species and that takes place over a relatively short period of time. "Relatively short period of time" does not mean that the new species poofs into existence. It means 50,000-100,000 years.
Whenever your creationist friends start lying to you about punctuated equilibria you can ask them to watch this video. You'd think that would stop them from spreading misinformation but then you realize that this video is 20 years old.
Facts don't seem to matter to creationists.1
1. In the interests of fairness, I should note that there are a great many evolutionists who also don't understand punctuated equilibria. I'm really posting this video for them and not for the creationists.
[Hat Tip: Greg Laden]
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Side plug: Encyclopedia of American Loons

  
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Message 54 of 147 (615166)
05-11-2011 2:20 AM


Chris Rodda - Liars For Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version ...
Found via Page not found | ScienceBlogs (see more links there, although the Daily Show link seems to be out of date).
Chris Rodda has made her book Liars For Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version of American History available for free:
http://www.liarsforjesus.com/downloads/LFJ_FINAL.pdf
Something to go on your hard drive, next to the authoritarians book.
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

  
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Message 58 of 147 (666079)
06-21-2012 8:23 PM


The Rocks Don't Lie: A Geologist Investigates Noah's Flood

  
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Message 59 of 147 (666829)
06-29-2012 9:19 PM


Animal hybrids photos
Coolest Hybrid Animals
The last one really gave me a chuckle:
St. Bernard + Basset Hound = St. Basset Hound
- although I can't rule out photo manipulation on that one.
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Message 60 of 147 (668249)
07-19-2012 12:32 AM


Tree of Life web project
Tree of Life Web Project
Finders credit to Taq, here.
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Message 64 of 147 (714982)
12-30-2013 7:25 PM


ID theory (or lack of), Liberal College Professors
The Vacuity of ID:
http://scienceblogs.com/...blog/2013/12/27/the-vacuity-of-id
Why Are So Many College Professors Politically Liberal?:
http://scienceblogs.com/...ge-professors-politically-liberal
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

  
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Message 66 of 147 (715272)
01-02-2014 8:01 PM


Geological Reasoning: Geology as an interpretive and historical science
Stealing a roxrkool message from elsewhere:
roxrkool writes:
Do a little research on "historical sciences."
There are experimental (observational) sciences, whose goal is to identify and test physical laws, and historical/interpretive sciences, whose goal is to research past events and reconstruct the history of these events.
A good place to start is the paper Geological Reasoning: Geology as an interpretive and historical science, R. Frodeman, 1995 (PDF).
And a short excerpt that I liked:
quote:
Like art history, with which it shares a strongly visual component, geology is an especially hermeneutic science: the outcrop typically means nothing to the uninitiated until the geologist introduces concepts for ‘‘seeing’’ the rock.
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

  
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Message 73 of 147 (728220)
05-25-2014 6:27 PM


Questioning Answers In Genesis (OEC blog)
Found via link in this.
Questioning Answers In Genesis
Questioning Answers In Genesis: Goals, guidelines, and contact information
Questioning Answers In Genesis: Welcome to 'Questioning Answers in Genesis'
I haven't looked at a lot there yet, but did read this one, concerning the recent "Noah" movie:
Why Aronofsky's Noah is more biblical than Ham's
We don't seem to have much old Earth creationist input here, thus this guy may be interesting to follow (catch phrase that shan't be typed).
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

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Message 77 of 147 (733990)
07-23-2014 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by PaulK
05-30-2014 1:16 AM


Re: Understanding Creationism, also something on "Fragments of the Fossil Record"
The first of an intended series of posts written by a former creationist on The Panda's Thumb
Understanding Creationism 1
Part 8 of 8 is at
Understanding creationism, VIII:
An insider's guide by a former young-Earth creationist
and at the bottom are links to parts 1-7.
Another interesting article is here at the Questioning Answers In Genesis blog.
The short version is that the popular but wrong image is that there are a lot of complete orderly land animal fossils found. The reality is that most show a lot of wear and tear, are often (usually?) incomplete, and the bones are scattered all over the place.
He goes on the say that if the creationist flood model of massive numbers of rapid burials were indeed the case, then we would expect to find a lot more complete orderly land animal fossils.
Moose

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Message 78 of 147 (736037)
08-30-2014 8:32 PM


Finally! Secret of Death Valley’s ‘Sailing Stones’ Is Revealed
Not a creation/evolution thing, but I had to put it somewhere.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/...-revealed/#.VAJXQKOwSpF
Short version: Water, ice, and wind. See the cite for the full story.
Moose

Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.
"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith
"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien
"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

  
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