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Colbard
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Message 76 of 177 (736113)
09-03-2014 7:21 AM


I mentioned other topics on nature that the Bible opens up, because they are related to this one, but first things first. The understanding of creation and its processes comes from the basics in Genesis. All the other mysteries are branches of these first principles.
However if Job, Jeremiah, Genesis, Proverbs are just a collection of poetic unscientific gibberish...then there is no point in discussing them.

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Message 77 of 177 (736114)
09-03-2014 7:59 AM
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09-03-2014 7:21 AM


Colbard writes:

However if Job, Jeremiah, Genesis, Proverbs are just a collection of poetic unscientific gibberish...then there is no point in discussing them.

They are religious texts. They have no scientific merit. You've already referenced several scientifically wrong passages.

--Percy


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NoNukes
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Message 78 of 177 (736127)
09-03-2014 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Colbard
09-03-2014 6:57 AM


To provide info on the related topics would take weeks and months on the forum, however you don't need me to do that for you once you understand a couple of basics.

Yes I do need you to provide the info you promised. You haven't connected the dots to a single one of your claims of scientific knowledge in the Bible. You say that Job tells us what is inside the earth. So tell us what, according to Job is actually inside the earth.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 79 of 177 (736128)
09-03-2014 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Colbard
09-03-2014 7:21 AM


However if Job, Jeremiah, Genesis, Proverbs are just a collection of poetic unscientific gibberish...then there is no point in discussing them.

Those books are not gibberish in my opinion. But they aren't science texts and don't intend to be. They would appear to be less scientific that you for example.

When Shakespeare wrote about taking arms against a sea of troubles, he was not talking about trying to cut the ocean with a sword. And yet he was not writing gibberish either.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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edge
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Message 80 of 177 (736195)
09-04-2014 11:34 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Colbard
09-03-2014 6:57 AM


Job 38, talks about the foundations of the earth, what the earth is founded on, ...

And what would that be?

... that is, whatever is under it.

Then perhaps you can tell us what is under the earth.

And because the earth is a sphere, the texts are talking about what is in the earth, ..

So if a baseball is spherical, that tells you what is inside it?

Please explain.

... as well as the creative processes involved.

Okay, what does it actually say? What was the creative process?

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Colbard
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Message 81 of 177 (736200)
09-05-2014 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by edge
09-04-2014 11:34 PM


The answers are all there for you to read. Make sure it is the KJV.
Read Genesis 1
and Job 38

If you cannot understand it, then ask God to open up your thinking, and you will get the answers one at a time.

If you don't believe in God, then let Him prove that to you by giving you answers.

If you think that God won't listen to you, then apologize first.


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NoNukes
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Message 82 of 177 (736201)
09-05-2014 2:38 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Colbard
09-05-2014 1:59 AM


If you cannot understand it, then ask God to open up your thinking, and you will get the answers one at a time.

That technique does not seem to have worked for you. So far you are unable to tell us any of the answers you received when your thinking was opened up.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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Colbard
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Message 83 of 177 (736203)
09-05-2014 4:59 AM
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09-05-2014 2:38 AM


You had your chance to find out from me, but you were too wise to listen, so now you can find out yourself, and if you don't get an answer, we'll know why.

There is a good chance that if you were told the answer you would not believe it anyway, and you would scoff at it, the same way that you scoff at anything or anybody that does not fit into your present scope.

Edited by Colbard, : Add


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NoNukes
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Message 84 of 177 (736210)
09-05-2014 8:39 AM
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09-05-2014 4:59 AM


You had your chance to find out from me, but you were too wise to listen, so now you can find out yourself, and if you don't get an answer, we'll know why.

Yes, I know why. You are a fraud.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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jar
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Message 85 of 177 (736213)
09-05-2014 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by Colbard
09-05-2014 1:59 AM


utter nonsense.
You really haven't read the Bible have you?

First, the tales of creation found in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 are mutually exclusive; if one were true the other must be false. In addition the Gods of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 are entirely different.

If you can't understand it then learn to read and read them again.

In those two books creation is nothing but a plot device, and fairly unimportant tool to allow development of the important themes; the sacred week in Genesis 1 and a "Just So" story in Genesis 2&3 to explain why humans fear and hate snakes, why they farmed instead of being hunter gatherers, why childbirth seems more painful for women than other animals and most importantly how human received the blessing of a moral sense.

Your post contains nothing but an exhortation to willful ignorance.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Edited by jar, : you ---> your


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 86 of 177 (736215)
09-05-2014 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Colbard
09-05-2014 4:59 AM


You had your chance to find out from me, but you were too wise to listen, so now you can find out yourself, and if you don't get an answer, we'll know why.

Arrogance much, Colbard?


"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 87 of 177 (736222)
09-05-2014 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Colbard
09-05-2014 1:59 AM


The answers are all there for you to read. Make sure it is the KJV.
Read Genesis 1
and Job 38
If you cannot understand it, then ask God to open up your thinking, and you will get the answers one at a time.

If you don't believe in God, then let Him prove that to you by giving you answers.

If you think that God won't listen to you, then apologize first.

No, reading and understanding the Bible does not require casting any magic spells beforehand.

This is you copping out of the discussion because you cannot support your assertions.


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Message 88 of 177 (736223)
09-05-2014 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Colbard
09-05-2014 1:59 AM


Colbard writes:

The answers are all there for you to read. Make sure it is the KJV.
Read Genesis 1
and Job 38
If you cannot understand it, then ask God to open up your thinking, and you will get the answers one at a time.


The "answers" you are spouting are not from the KJV; they're from creationist websites.

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Colbard
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Message 89 of 177 (736239)
09-05-2014 9:11 PM


God claims to have inspired the writing and preservation of the Bible,
so it makes sense to communicate with the author about its content.
I will discuss what it says about the earth's interior when you have received the answers. But if you are afraid to communicate with God then, we don't have anything to discuss, except ideas that have been in circulation since the French revolution. Ephesians 4:18 KJV.

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Message 90 of 177 (736240)
09-05-2014 9:17 PM
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09-05-2014 9:11 PM


But if you are afraid to communicate with God then, we don't have anything to discuss, except ideas that have been in circulation since the French revolution.

How about we discuss ideas that have been in circulation since the Enlightenment?


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.


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