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Author Topic:   Correlation between Anti-Gun v Anti Death Penalty Views
ringo
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Message 106 of 113 (735837)
08-26-2014 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by mram10
08-25-2014 7:37 PM


mram10 writes:
As for murderers, let's look at the bjs.gov website:
Recidivism and Reentry | Bureau of Justice Statistics
It was slightly higher than your 3%. It was almost 50%.
That page doesn't seem to mention murderers at all. Please be more specific. And use the proper Reply button.
mram10 writes:
Please explain how harsher penalties that rid us of recidivism, make criminals commit more crimes ...... logically please
Logic doesn't trump facts. If you have any facts that support your position, present them. Then we can use logic on those facts.
Edited by ringo, : Added missing s p a c e.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 107 of 113 (735842)
08-26-2014 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Theodoric
08-25-2014 9:33 PM


You are a vile little troll aren't you.
That depends on whether his stupidity is feigned or genuine.

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NoNukes
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Message 108 of 113 (735843)
08-26-2014 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Dr Adequate
08-26-2014 1:01 PM


...stupidity is feigned or genuine.
Exactly. I think Theodoric is being overly gracious with his insults.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Tangle
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Message 109 of 113 (735844)
08-26-2014 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by NoNukes
08-26-2014 3:55 PM


Oh he's not totally stupid, he knows exactly how to wind everybody up hereabouts.
He's a pretty average troll, dropping in every couple of months, trailing rubby dubby and watching evrybody get all hot and bothered then buggering off for a while. It's just a question of who's the dumbest, us or him.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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DrJones*
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Message 110 of 113 (736118)
09-03-2014 11:27 AM


Henry McCollum, Leon Brown freed after 30 years in prison | CBC News
I am for the death penalty in theory, but this is why i'm against it in practice. Until we can be 100% sure that only guilty people are sentenced to death capital punishment should not be in use.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
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Dr Adequate
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Message 111 of 113 (736121)
09-03-2014 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by DrJones*
09-03-2014 11:27 AM


I agree.
I read a book recently (Philip Kerr, A Philosophical Investigation, I recommend it if you like that sort of thing) which included among its premises the idea that people convicted of murder would be put in a medically induced coma and then stashed in what was in effect a big warehouse. If they were later proved innocent, they could be taken out of the coma, if not then in effect it would be a death sentence, because although they would in fact die of old age, the last thing they would experience would be the needle that put them under. Would that meet the objection, or would we complain that the innocent man was still being deprived of all the joys that would go along with ... uh ... spending a decade in prison knowing that he was there unjustly?
Discuss.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Tangle
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Message 112 of 113 (736123)
09-03-2014 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Dr Adequate
09-03-2014 11:50 AM


Disagree.
Both the death penalty and the 'might-as-well-be-dead' penalty does not allow for forgiveness, change and redemption. It also brings the criminal justice system and the society that supports such extreme punitiveness down, to the level of the murderer.
I object to the death penalty on a subjective basis - it's abhorrent; it's convenient to know that the evidence shows that it's also not a deterrent.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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NoNukes
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Message 113 of 113 (736129)
09-03-2014 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Dr Adequate
09-03-2014 11:50 AM


put in a medically induced coma and then stashed in what was in effect a big warehouse.
What would be the state of such a person when he was freed? If he is indeed medically worse off that if he'd spent the time in prison, then how cruel is that?
And while the person might subjectively consider himself dead, that is not necessarily how the victim's family would feel about it if they were pro-death penalty.
Exactly who would this coma-death penalty satisfy?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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