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Colbard Member (Idle past 3420 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
I mentioned other topics on nature that the Bible opens up, because they are related to this one, but first things first. The understanding of creation and its processes comes from the basics in Genesis. All the other mysteries are branches of these first principles.
However if Job, Jeremiah, Genesis, Proverbs are just a collection of poetic unscientific gibberish...then there is no point in discussing them.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Colbard writes: However if Job, Jeremiah, Genesis, Proverbs are just a collection of poetic unscientific gibberish...then there is no point in discussing them. They are religious texts. They have no scientific merit. You've already referenced several scientifically wrong passages. --Percy
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
To provide info on the related topics would take weeks and months on the forum, however you don't need me to do that for you once you understand a couple of basics. Yes I do need you to provide the info you promised. You haven't connected the dots to a single one of your claims of scientific knowledge in the Bible. You say that Job tells us what is inside the earth. So tell us what, according to Job is actually inside the earth.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
However if Job, Jeremiah, Genesis, Proverbs are just a collection of poetic unscientific gibberish...then there is no point in discussing them. Those books are not gibberish in my opinion. But they aren't science texts and don't intend to be. They would appear to be less scientific that you for example. When Shakespeare wrote about taking arms against a sea of troubles, he was not talking about trying to cut the ocean with a sword. And yet he was not writing gibberish either.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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edge Member (Idle past 1735 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Job 38, talks about the foundations of the earth, what the earth is founded on, ...
And what would that be?
... that is, whatever is under it.
Then perhaps you can tell us what is under the earth.
And because the earth is a sphere, the texts are talking about what is in the earth, ..
So if a baseball is spherical, that tells you what is inside it? Please explain.
... as well as the creative processes involved.
Okay, what does it actually say? What was the creative process?
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3420 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
The answers are all there for you to read. Make sure it is the KJV.
Read Genesis 1 and Job 38 If you cannot understand it, then ask God to open up your thinking, and you will get the answers one at a time. If you don't believe in God, then let Him prove that to you by giving you answers. If you think that God won't listen to you, then apologize first.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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If you cannot understand it, then ask God to open up your thinking, and you will get the answers one at a time. That technique does not seem to have worked for you. So far you are unable to tell us any of the answers you received when your thinking was opened up.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3420 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
You had your chance to find out from me, but you were too wise to listen, so now you can find out yourself, and if you don't get an answer, we'll know why.
There is a good chance that if you were told the answer you would not believe it anyway, and you would scoff at it, the same way that you scoff at anything or anybody that does not fit into your present scope. Edited by Colbard, : Add
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You had your chance to find out from me, but you were too wise to listen, so now you can find out yourself, and if you don't get an answer, we'll know why. Yes, I know why. You are a fraud. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You really haven't read the Bible have you?
First, the tales of creation found in Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 are mutually exclusive; if one were true the other must be false. In addition the Gods of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 are entirely different. If you can't understand it then learn to read and read them again. In those two books creation is nothing but a plot device, and fairly unimportant tool to allow development of the important themes; the sacred week in Genesis 1 and a "Just So" story in Genesis 2&3 to explain why humans fear and hate snakes, why they farmed instead of being hunter gatherers, why childbirth seems more painful for women than other animals and most importantly how human received the blessing of a moral sense. Your post contains nothing but an exhortation to willful ignorance. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin Edited by jar, : you ---> yourAnyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
You had your chance to find out from me, but you were too wise to listen, so now you can find out yourself, and if you don't get an answer, we'll know why. Arrogance much, Colbard?"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
The answers are all there for you to read. Make sure it is the KJV. Read Genesis 1 and Job 38 If you cannot understand it, then ask God to open up your thinking, and you will get the answers one at a time. If you don't believe in God, then let Him prove that to you by giving you answers. If you think that God won't listen to you, then apologize first. No, reading and understanding the Bible does not require casting any magic spells beforehand. This is you copping out of the discussion because you cannot support your assertions.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Colbard writes:
The "answers" you are spouting are not from the KJV; they're from creationist websites.
The answers are all there for you to read. Make sure it is the KJV.Read Genesis 1 and Job 38 If you cannot understand it, then ask God to open up your thinking, and you will get the answers one at a time.
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3420 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
God claims to have inspired the writing and preservation of the Bible,
so it makes sense to communicate with the author about its content. I will discuss what it says about the earth's interior when you have received the answers. But if you are afraid to communicate with God then, we don't have anything to discuss, except ideas that have been in circulation since the French revolution. Ephesians 4:18 KJV.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
But if you are afraid to communicate with God then, we don't have anything to discuss, except ideas that have been in circulation since the French revolution. How about we discuss ideas that have been in circulation since the Enlightenment?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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