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PaulK
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Message 31 of 106 (736255)
09-06-2014 4:11 AM
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09-05-2014 9:33 PM


Re: Water in the earth
quote:
Ref google "iron deposits meteor crater Arizona"
I did. They assumed that there would be iron from the meteor there, but found none. So where are these "iron seams" of yours?
The mining of the crater continued until 1929 without ever finding the ten-million ton meteorite that Barringer assumed must be hidden. At this time the astronomer Forest Ray Moulton performed calculations on the energy expended by the meteorite on impact, and concluded that the meteorite had most likely vaporized when it landed. By this point Barringer had spent over $600,000 in mining the crater, nearly bankrupting him, with no iron profits to show for it.
Daniel Barringer
Perhaps you would also like to explain why the results of googling the terms you suggested find results completely contrary to your claims?

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Colbard
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Message 32 of 106 (736256)
09-06-2014 5:15 AM
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09-06-2014 4:11 AM


Re: Water in the earth
The iron seams are up to 14 km away from the blast zone, but they are not from outer space. My guess it that they will be on the eastern side of the crater.
It's interesting how they cannot find the supposed meteor, and propose it evaporated on impact.
Barringer and others found iron scattered up to 9 km around the crater, but there was not enough to start a mine.
I checked on the direction of the blast zone, and it was NE direction, which does not surprise me, because the direction of the flood waters was to the greater part from west to east, especially towards the end of the flood, when this crater may have formed. It is not to say that this could not have been an impact crater from outer space, which would be far more unusual.
Edited by Colbard, : Add findings

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PaulK
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Message 33 of 106 (736257)
09-06-2014 5:22 AM
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09-06-2014 5:15 AM


Re: Water in the earth
quote:
The iron seams are up to 14 km away from the blast zone, but they are not from outer space. My guess it that they will be on the eastern side of the crater.
Can you support that with an actual reference and not telling people to do a google search?
And can you explain just how these iron seams are supposedly formed?
quote:
It's interesting how they cannot find the supposed meteor, and propose it evaporated on impact.
It's interesting that your idea of giving a reference is telling people to do a google search - which doesn't find anything to support your claims.
But if the meteorite should have vapourised - as the calculations indicated - then it is hardly surprising that it wasn't found.

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Colbard
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Message 34 of 106 (736258)
09-06-2014 5:50 AM
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09-06-2014 5:22 AM


Re: Water in the earth
Yes that Googling did not go well, but they are mostly giving reference to the deposits expected and searched for by Barringer for mining purposes, does not mean there are no signs of iron to be found.

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PaulK
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Message 35 of 106 (736260)
09-06-2014 6:09 AM
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09-06-2014 5:50 AM


Re: Water in the earth
In other words you have no supporting references, at all. Of course, without any reason to expect iron seams to be produced by your mechanism the actual presence of iron is a moot point. And you haven't even tried to support that claim.

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NoNukes
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Message 36 of 106 (736263)
09-06-2014 8:23 AM
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09-06-2014 5:15 AM


Re: Water in the earth
It is not to say that this could not have been an impact crater from outer space, which would be far more unusual.
How can you determine which explanation is more "usual"?
ABE:
I find this entire line of argument incredibly perplexing. Surely there are some volcanic craters present on earth even if the crater in question is not one of them. So what? How would that presence help reinforce your ideas?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 37 of 106 (736264)
09-06-2014 8:28 AM
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09-06-2014 5:15 AM


more utter bullshit and nonsense
I checked on the direction of the blast zone, and it was NE direction, which does not surprise me, because the direction of the flood waters was to the greater part from west to east, especially towards the end of the flood, when this crater may have formed.
Utter bullshit and nonsense. Why would flood waters be from west to east and what would that have to do with any blast zone.
Is your goal only to make Christians look stupid?
Have you ever read the Bible in any version?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Colbard
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Message 38 of 106 (736270)
09-06-2014 8:56 AM
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09-06-2014 6:09 AM


Re: Water in the earth
That's right it is just my opinion, on a topic not directly related to the thread.

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Colbard
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Message 39 of 106 (736273)
09-06-2014 9:05 AM
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09-06-2014 8:23 AM


Re: Water in the earth
Ask PaulK he knows so much more with supporting papers from other supporting papers, which are supported by other supporting papers.

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Colbard
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Message 40 of 106 (736274)
09-06-2014 9:10 AM
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09-06-2014 8:28 AM


Re: more utter bullshit and nonsense
Are you attracted to BS and nonsense? obviously yes.
I took it for granted that you would know why the waters in the flood circulated around the globe from west to east?
So you don't know? Well you should have said that instead of blowing the BS trumpet. Where's your basic manners? Have I ever said that about your views?
That's right you don't have any views except to split hairs.

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Message 41 of 106 (736280)
09-06-2014 9:45 AM
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09-06-2014 9:10 AM


Re: more utter bullshit and nonsense
Colbard writes:
I took it for granted that you would know why the waters in the flood circulated around the globe from west to east?
Well don't keep us all in suspense.
--Percy

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jar
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Message 42 of 106 (736281)
09-06-2014 10:12 AM
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09-06-2014 9:10 AM


Re: more utter bullshit and nonsense
I do think it is important to point out utter nonsense and bullshit.
You are of course free to say what ever you wish about my views but please understand that I may well once again present facts to support my position.
There is nothing in either of the Biblical Flood myths that would support your assertion of "I checked on the direction of the blast zone, and it was NE direction, which does not surprise me, because the direction of the flood waters was to the greater part from west to east, especially towards the end of the flood, when this crater may have formed."
If you have evidence please present it. And also be aware that I have actually read the Bible so don't try your normal evasion of saying "read Genesis".

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 43 of 106 (736282)
09-06-2014 10:21 AM
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09-06-2014 9:10 AM


Re: more utter bullshit and nonsense
I took it for granted that you would know why the waters in the flood circulated around the globe from west to east?
The evidence shows there was no flood as described in the bible.
Discussing the direction of water flow in a fictional flood makes as much sense as arguing about how Hamlet parted his hair.
But there was a localized flood about three times older than the supposed biblical flood that we can study--and determine the direction of the water flow. Google "channeled scablands" and perhaps you will learn something about floods.

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Message 44 of 106 (736286)
09-06-2014 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Colbard
09-05-2014 9:33 PM


Re: Water in the earth
"Google it" is not a reference, and googling one crater cannot establish a pattern common to all or many craters. Fail.
Still waiting for references.
I see you have avoided evidence of meteor impacts such as shocked quartz, impact metamorphosis,...
Boring. Assertion on assertion and not even a feeble attempt at support.

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Message 45 of 106 (736287)
09-06-2014 11:48 AM
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09-06-2014 9:45 AM


Re: more utter bullshit and nonsense
Just my opinion, no evidence at all.

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