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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I can think about my dead family members just fine without standing in the middle of a glorified park (another more useful use for cemeteries). Interesting. I have never visited my own father's grave, which is in another city from the one in which I live. On the other hand, my wife and kids visit the grave of my wife's father on occasion. I cannot come up with any reason to find their visits silly. It seems a natural thing for them to share their feelings near grandpa's resting place. If in fact such a thing is silly, one might also consider things like birthdays and anniversary's equally silly as each is only one day in what we hope is a long life or long relationship. I'm perfectly satisfied with being cremated, but if I found the idea horrified the people I left behind, I'd leave the choice in their hands.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I said cemetries are silly, I didn't say places of rememberance were. My dad's ashes are scattered on a hill that I regularly walk. What makes a grave silly and an ash scattering place non-silly? Is it the waste of space associated with the former? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
There is an opinion among some Christians that burial is to be preferred to cremation because we are immortal souls whose bodies will eventually be resurrected and joined with our souls in a new glorified form, so we should preserve the body until that day. Except nobody, including those Christians you allude does any such thing, do they? Buried bodies using modern 'preservation methods', rot away in short order. We don't exactly mummify people before we bury them.
Darwin said there's grandeur in the evolutionist view of things. Poor Darwin, poor modern man who has learned to regard himself as dog food. Isn't your own plan for your body to become worm and bacteria food? And in what way would a cremated body become dog food? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
My only point was the psychological "feel" of "laying a body to rest" as versus incinerating it. I would expect that a "psychological feel" is a very personal reaction, as is the idea that claustrophobia might affect a dead person or even a newly resurrected person. It should not be all that difficult to imagine that someone else would not have the same impressions. Now contrast that with the tone of your original post.
Nothing to do with the realities of worms, it's all a symbolic sort of thing. What worm would attempt to gain sustenance from ashes? Isn't it buried bodies that are worm food?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Of course people have different impressions, but oddly enough nobody has offered any. Actually, they have offered different impressions. As I noted, the last post of yours was a marked improvement over your original post in which you denigrated the opinions of others. Appreciating that burial versus cremation is a personal idea rather than a statement about someone's character is completely accurate. I was not objecting to that issue, I simply and correctly pointed out that your original post, which was completely different. Now you seem to be pulling back for some reason. Example from first post...
Sad that you're all willing to treat yourselves as trash. Totally uncalled for. Many people who are otherwise claustrophobic don't really worry about having those same problems once they are dead. Others do. For example Dr. Adequate simply remarked that we should make sure he was actually dead before sticking him in a hole. But again, that's just a feeling too. About the worms.
It implies to my mind a sort of reverence that cremation doesn't. That's all. Nothing to do with the realities of worms, it's all a symbolic sort of thing. If worms are actually associated with burial, what sense does this comment about reverence make? How is choosing a method that exposes the body to works show more reverence? What you are doing is simply ignoring the worms. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Faith writes: I'm thinking of a cultural attitude in general, and when it's possible for anyone to talk about the human body as fertilizer, even one's own body quote: quote: Leave it to a fundy to find fault with others while getting things completely bollixed up. So typical. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
silly stuff snipped.
I appreciate the detail. I think we can still say that bodies end up as worm food after we bury them and that pretending that they don't is not really a way of showing respect. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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Since when is giving an opinion making oneself an "arbiter"? Perhaps if your opinions were not bolted so tightly to criticism of others, you might find that you get more civil discussion back in return.
That's just an opinion too, one I've argued does NOT convey respect for human beings, but you pronounce it as dogma. You did not argue it so much as you announced it.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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