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ringo
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Message 5 of 94 (736314)
09-06-2014 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Leroy Jenkins
09-06-2014 2:27 PM


Some Anecdotes
Leroy Jenkins writes:
I don't really understand the point of proper graves. They allegedly help to remember the deceased, but I can't comprehend how looking at a rock in the ground helps to remember someone.
Two of my grandparents and all four of my great-grandparents are buried in the same cemetery. I've been there for two of the funerals but I've never seen the other four graves.
My parents are buried in another cemetery a few miles from my house. I've never been there except for their funerals. My mother was buried wearing her wedding ring, which was never of much intrinsic value.
An elderly couple I knew had a little dog; they had it cremated when it died and when the husband died, the urn was buried with him according to his wishes - I have no idea where. I last saw him shortly before he died and he seemed glad to see me - which means more to me than any thought that he's still out there somewhere being spooky.
I've heard that in China they bury you and then farm right over you. That's what I'd like:
quote:
We are stardust
We are golden
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the garden
-- Joni Mitchell

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 36 of 94 (736386)
09-08-2014 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Faith
09-08-2014 2:38 AM


Faith writes:
Pretty sad in my opinion that there is so little respect for the human individual that feelings are all boiled down to personal relationships while humanity itself is treated as so much trash. I suppose most would deny this but most of the posts on this thread imply it. And where does it come from? Oh, probably from your proud evolutionism and atheism, right?
I separate recycling from trash. I find it much more uplifting to be recycled than to spend eternity grovelling at the feet of some fictitious monster.
quote:
You are a child of the universe, no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
-- Max Ehrmann

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 56 of 94 (736443)
09-10-2014 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by Faith
09-08-2014 3:02 PM


Faith writes:
But I think when people say they want to be fertilizer or one of those anatomical skeletons, that they are trying to force themselves to accept the denigration of humanity qua humanity that is so popular these days, though it's really psychologically abusive.
Thanks for making me Google "humanity qua humanity".
I don't think it's a "denigration of humanity" at all to think of humanity as part of a greater whole, to think we will go on forever materially no matter what our woo beliefs. I don't have to "force" myself to accept that; it would be hard not to.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 76 of 94 (736580)
09-11-2014 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Faith
09-10-2014 4:13 PM


Faith writes:
"Going on forever" as just a clod of dirt that is "part of a greater whole" of more dirt, is a pretty denigrated view of humanity and what's weird is that you don't seem to know it.
quote:
We are stardust
We are golden
And we've got to get ourselves
Back to the garden
-- Joni Mitchell
That isn't denigrating, it's uplifting. Trust you to argue that up is down.
Faith writes:
While you're lying there being trod upon or whatever your fate may be as that clod, will you be contemplating your fate as a clod of dirt?
quote:
Don’t think of it as dust. Just think of it as the dirt and dust of far-off lands blowing over here and settling on Pig-Pen! It staggers the imagination! He may be carrying the soil that was trod upon by Solomon or Nebuchadnezzar or Genghis Khan!
-- Charlie Brown

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ringo
Member (Idle past 437 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 89 of 94 (736708)
09-12-2014 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Tanypteryx
09-12-2014 12:06 PM


Tanypteryx writes:
I have always thought that it is how you treat people while they are alive that conveys respect, not how you treat their body after they are dead.
Maybe retroactive guilt is the ultimate root of our funeral customs.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
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Message 93 of 94 (736721)
09-12-2014 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
09-12-2014 12:56 PM


Faith writes:
Why can't there be different ways of conveying respect?
Why not indeed? You were the one who complained about different ways being "denigrating".

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