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Stile
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Message 31 of 94 (736372)
09-08-2014 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Leroy Jenkins
09-06-2014 2:27 PM


Atheist Afterlife
Leroy Jenkins writes:
Hello everyone! I'm currently a Grade 11 student in a Canadian Catholic high school.
Hi Leroy Jenkins! I was previously a Grade 11 student in a Canadian Catholic high school (Southern Ontario area).
Hope you stick around and check out the rest of the place. There's a lot of interesting information around here. Have fun!
I said the usual atheist response (you rot in the ground) plus I explained how our remains will eventually contribute to new life and new stars...
I just thought I would mention that an afterlife isn't necessarily a non-atheist position. Just an afterlife run by a God. Therefore, an atheist is as free to use their imagination as any theistic person is to dream of an afterlife where they continue their existence in some other, non-physical-as-we-know-it bodily form. The atheist just has to dream of it without a God, is all.
I don't really understand the point of proper graves.
I've always thought that burial practices (any and all) are for the living to deal with their loss. I don't think they have any implications for the deceased. That's why burial practices are so varied across history and cultures. Because people are varied across history and cultures.
I'm just trying to convince people of the general silliness of graves.
I don't think there's anything "generally silly" about living people trying to deal with their loss of someone dying... in whatever way they try. People have feelings. Sometimes the feelings are difficult to deal with. I think people should be free to attempt to deal with their feelings in pretty much whatever way they think is best. As long as they aren't hurting other folks, anyway.
But I understand your point. In the context of not-considering-the-feelings-of-other-people... I agree that graves (and pretty much all other burial practices) are unnecessary and can seem like a waste of time and resources.
What do you people think? Do you want to keep cemeteries, do away with them, give people badass Viking funerals?
I think that we should keep cemeteries around as long as people are attached to the idea of cemeteries helping them to deal with their loss. I do understand that (at some possible point in the future) the resources required for cemeteries may become stretched. At that point, things will change. However, these sorts of things have a way of evolving on their own into alternative, acceptable, equally-consoling customs. I think we should let such things run their course.
I'd like to hear what you have to say, because you may convince me that I'm wrong, and if you don't, I'll know some new arguments to use against my classmates.
Sounds like a very fair position. Again, I hope you stick around and add to our little community. Have fun!

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Stile
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Message 32 of 94 (736377)
09-08-2014 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by dwise1
09-07-2014 6:17 AM


LJ
dwise1 writes:
Funny, I thought that name was spelled "Leeroy Jenkins!" Are you aware of the Icelandic movie, "Astropia"?
Yeah, it's used all over in gaming pop-culture stuff.
It originated from a World of Warcraft video posted online, if you're wondering:
quote:
It features a group of players discussing a detailed battle strategy for the next encounter while one of their party members, Leeroy, is away from his computer. Their risky plan is needed specifically to help Leeroy, yet is ruined when Leeroy returns and, ignorant of the strategy, immediately charges headlong into battle shouting his own name in a stylized battle cry. His companions rush to help, but Leeroy's actions ruin the meticulous plan, and all of the group members are massacred.
Leeroy Jenkins
Leeroy Jenkins!!!!111

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Stile
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Message 47 of 94 (736403)
09-09-2014 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Leroy Jenkins
09-08-2014 4:44 PM


Leroy Jenkins writes:
...the Leeroy-Leroy issue. I forgot the "e."
It doesn't really matter, but if you want to you can create an alias of the same name but with the extra 'e' and both accounts will be linked and then you can have whatever name you'd like. If someone mouse-hovers over your name, they will then see all your alias accounts (try it on ringo or RAZD in this thread if you want to see what I mean).
Anyway, another thing I wanted to quickly mention was that I'm sorry about the way I worded the OP. I've noticed that I seem to have struck a nerve with some people
Heh... don't worry about it. We just like to talk about pretty much everything and anything around here. That sometimes comes with a certain flair for the dramatic. It's nothing personal
Having had that pointed out to me, I've revised my original idea...
It is wise to change a position accordingly when new information comes to light.
I'm getting a better picture of why people do go to cemeteries now, but I think that the thing I proposed, a database of every dead person, complete with their autobiography, pictures, and possibly other biographies of them, would be a very good thing to help people remember the dead. I understand that it wouldn't replace actually going to a place where you spent time with them, and I'm not going to pretend that it could.
Such a database sounds like a very good alternative to me. Maybe one day it will replace cemeteries... maybe not. But if it's available as an alternative it's then possible to see how viable it can actually be.
People's feelings are a strange matter, though. Even if something is replaced with an obvious upgrade... some folks won't want to change simply because they don't like change. The evolution of things generally has to wait for these people to die-off before the transition takes place... but who knows how many people will stand in the way of your idea unless you try it.
...if someone started such an online program to record details about yourself that could be accessed by anyone in any generation...
When stated like that, it sounds a lot like Facebook...
By the time the world has been urbanized...
This idea seems to imply that urbanization is a good thing and should be desired. Maybe we should take a look to see if we actually want to urbanize everything. Perhaps it would be better to leave some areas non-urbanized and find a way to control our population increase.
I'm actually going to start a Programming Club and a Robotics Club (not sure why I mentioned the second)
Most likely just because robots are cool.

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