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Author Topic:   The Search for Moderate Islam
nwr
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Message 3 of 432 (736853)
09-13-2014 9:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
09-13-2014 7:14 PM


I assume you are saying that your web search came up empty.
I'm not sure that means much. We are currently in a climate of hostility towards Islam, so web pages that are hostile will dominate the search results.
Personally, I don't know enough about Islam to comment on whether there is a moderate branch.
The main problem I see, is that it is difficult to separate what is the religion from what is the culture. They are tightly connected.

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Message 9 of 432 (736905)
09-14-2014 4:52 PM
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09-14-2014 10:55 AM


This isn't a search for moderate Muslims; this is a search for moderate Islam.
But what does that mean.
If we look back through history, there were times when Christianity was pretty violent.
So what changed? I really don't think Christianity has changed that much. We still hear pretty harsh rhetoric from the religious right. What I think changed, is that religion and culture became partly separated with a rise in secularism. So Christianity and culture are now not nearly as tightly connected as they were in the past.
We have not seen a comparable rise in appreciation of secular values in the Islamic cultures.

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Message 71 of 432 (737063)
09-16-2014 1:44 PM
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09-16-2014 3:38 AM


Re: fanatics are fanatics no matter what brand of religion is used
Or try living in communities that are dominated by atheists. All it took was one loudmouthed atheist to remove prayer from the public schools, which had been in place for centuries; all it took was one plaintiff to make abortion the law of the land. No need to bother about majority rule any more, all it takes is the Supreme Court misapplying the Constitution to wipe out our formerly Christian rule of law.
This is nonsense.
Prayers have not been removed from the public schools.
What it took, was a small number of loud mouthed lying fundamentalist Christians to spread the false claim that prayers have been excluded from the school.
What a few atheists and many sensible Christians did, was remind us what the US constitution says (the non-establishment clause of the first amendment). At the time I was an evangelical Christian and I supported that court decision as good for Christianity.

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Message 130 of 432 (737277)
09-21-2014 1:12 PM
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09-21-2014 9:15 AM


Re: liberal Islam
It is popular for the west to blame itself; but that cannot happen, because it leads to people who ignore actual motives for bad behavior. Despite what some would like us to think, not everything that is happening in the Middle East is the result of economic or political difficulties (that is more western thinking); many of the people who are firing bombs and kidnapping children are doing so specifically and only on the basis of a religion they believe tells them they should.
That seems a bit simplistic.
Previously, there were Christian communities within various Arab countries. It wasn't all wine and roses, but they were able to manage. But, following the US 2003 invasion, that has changed and it is far harder for Christians in that part of the world. The invasion seems to have stirred up a hornets nest.

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