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Author Topic:   If evolution is true, where did flying creatures come from?
New Cat's Eye
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Message 21 of 225 (737602)
09-27-2014 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Bookworm7890
09-26-2014 10:26 PM


One day one of this species is born/hatched with flaps similar to wings.
Individuals don't evolve, entire species do. Evolutionary events don't happen in "one day", they happen over many generations.
As for the evidence of the evolution of the winds, for birds we have quite a bit from the fossil record:
Notice how it doesn't go right from running to flying? There are many intermediate stages of jumping and gliding before you get from running to flight.
We can see some of the key features along the way in the fossilized bones that have been found:
Its also interesting to see that a lot of different animals, including those that do and do not fly, share the same bone types and locations. This is because evolution works by gradually modifying what is already present rather than introducing whole new plans like you seem to be suggesting:
The following image does a better job of detailing which bones are where and how they have changed over time, within just reptiles in this case (click to enlarge):
That came from here if you want to check it out: Pterosaur Wings
Any questions so far?
Can you see that there is, in fact, evidence for the evolution of flight?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 23 of 225 (737606)
09-27-2014 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by mike the wiz
09-27-2014 2:43 PM


"Likely true"? Well - if it's down to probability, what is the probability of an eye evolving 40 times by convergence? Shall I be generous and say the chances of eye evolution are 1 in 2? That would then be 1 in 3 X 340.
No, the calculation would start with the likelihood of a protein being light-sensitive.

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Message 28 of 225 (737612)
09-27-2014 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by mike the wiz
09-27-2014 3:09 PM


That's Begging-The-Question because you ASSUME that such a light-sensitive patch leads to an eye.
Are you fucking with me?
You asked what the probability of the eye evolving is.
To answer that, we're going to have to use the path that evolution posits.
How could you possibly think that you could calculate the probability of the eye evolving by using some other method of getting there besides evolution?
Are you daft?
I won't accept the conjectural and tenuous explanations of eye evolution just because evolutionists express that conjecture.
Apparently, you won't even consider the scenario in order to think about the calculation!

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