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faitheist
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09-04-2014 7:04 AM


Not sure if this has been discussed before, but here's a question for the creationists:
If god made Adam, why did he give him nipples?
Simple enough question; I'm sure you have complicated answer.

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Message 2 of 12 (736140)
09-04-2014 8:19 AM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Nipples thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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09-04-2014 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by faitheist
09-04-2014 7:04 AM


Well, obviously Adam had nipples because he was created in the Image of God. And God had nipples because.....
......I'll get back to you on the rest of this.

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Message 4 of 12 (736142)
09-04-2014 8:43 AM
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09-04-2014 7:04 AM


My Moobs would look really silly without them, and my collection of clamps would be redundant.

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09-04-2014 10:48 AM
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09-04-2014 7:04 AM


Everyone knows the nipples where the first human graphic thermometers.

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 6 of 12 (736156)
09-04-2014 12:04 PM
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09-04-2014 7:04 AM


faitheist writes:
If god made Adam, why did he give him nipples?
The creationist counter-question would be, "What's the evolutionary advantage of male nipples?"
Clearly, God was planning ahead; He knew that Adam and Eve would sin and thus invent death; they would have to be able to procreate and Eve would need nipples; since Eve was made out of Adam, he needed nipple genes.
faitheist writes:
I'm sure you have complicated answer.
Well, I used semi-colons instead of periods to make it look more complicated (also to even the wear on my keyboard and to make Bible-lovers more comfortable).

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Message 7 of 12 (736159)
09-04-2014 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by faitheist
09-04-2014 7:04 AM


Not sure if this has been discussed before, but here's a question for the creationists:
If god made Adam, why did he give him nipples?
Have you heard of the Omphalos hypothesis?
quote:
in order for the world to be "functional", God must have created the Earth with mountains and canyons, trees with growth rings, Adam and Eve with hair, fingernails, and navels (omphalos is Greek for "navel"), and that therefore no evidence that we can see of the presumed age of the earth and universe can be taken as reliable.

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Message 8 of 12 (736163)
09-04-2014 12:41 PM
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09-04-2014 12:19 PM


quote:
in order for the world to be "functional", God must have created the Earth with mountains and canyons, trees with growth rings, Adam and Eve with hair, fingernails, and navels (omphalos is Greek for "navel"), and that therefore no evidence that we can see of the presumed age of the earth and universe can be taken as reliable.
That explains why even male nipples are errogenous.

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Message 9 of 12 (736190)
09-04-2014 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by ringo
09-04-2014 12:04 PM


Clearly, God was planning ahead; He knew that Adam and Eve would sin and thus invent death; they would have to be able to procreate and Eve would need nipples; since Eve was made out of Adam, he needed nipple genes.
But the "planning ahead" theory doesn't account for why God had to try Adam with every other creature of his creation before figuring out that Adam preferred humans. God isn't portrayed as a very good planner in that story.
It would also seem odd that God would have to give Adam characteristics he planned to copy into Eve since he was pretty much starting over when he made her and did a perfectly fine job endowing her with traits not found in Adam.
In the other creation account God makes them both at the same time and could have just done it proper from the get-go.
I don't think we can trace nipples back to Adam as preperation for Eve.
On the other hand, there is the good hand-waved answer: Adam did not have nipples himself but both sexes acquired them after they were added to Eve, for whom they had good use. This doesn't explain why God did not make only women have nipples as he could easily have done, but perhaps leaving out that perameter was just an oversight (more hand-waving).
Jon

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Message 10 of 12 (736197)
09-04-2014 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by faitheist
09-04-2014 7:04 AM


If god made Adam, why did he give him nipples?
Because God used a chimp predecessor template as man's starting point and apes all had nipples.
I'm guessing that this question is inspired by the expression "useless as teats on a bull".
Well, I have learned something that my wife and I regularly exploit; tits on a man and tits on a woman who is not lactating, are not at all useless. Far from it.
Besides all that, the question of whether Adam had tits, a navel, or was circumcised are unanswered, and anyone who tells you he knows the answer isn't using the KJV of the Bible anyway, so you should ignore him.

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ringo
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Message 11 of 12 (736216)
09-05-2014 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Jon
09-04-2014 9:07 PM


Jon writes:
But the "planning ahead" theory doesn't account for why God had to try Adam with every other creature of his creation before figuring out that Adam preferred humans. God isn't portrayed as a very good planner in that story.
God, in His omniscience, knew that the relationships with the other animals wouldn't work out. Adam had to figure it out the hard way.

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Message 12 of 12 (737856)
10-01-2014 6:53 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by ringo
09-05-2014 11:45 AM


Thank you. That was most entertaining.

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