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Dr Adequate
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Message 301 of 2073 (738072)
10-04-2014 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 297 by djufo
10-04-2014 4:17 PM


Was that article written by your God?
Yes there are less chimps because there's something called natural selection.
Ah, more incoherent non sequiturs.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 302 of 2073 (738073)
10-04-2014 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by djufo
10-04-2014 4:21 PM


By the way, evolution of humans should be just mentioned in schools as a theory. it is ridiculous and disrespectful for the whole specie, but since there's a bunch of making a living out of it, it should be just mentioned to kids. Importance to facts should be given as priority in education.
Has it occurred to you that maybe scientists, who know about science, are better equipped to decide which bits of science are important than people like you, who aren't scientists and who are pig-ignorant of science?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 303 of 2073 (738074)
10-04-2014 4:41 PM
Reply to: Message 293 by djufo
10-04-2014 3:37 PM


Pause For Thought
Well, I was wondering. You wrote:
In nature that does not happen.
Now, this is, as I have shown, not true. And at that point, you should have paused for thought. Specifically, you should have thought: "Hey, I'm making up crap about a subject of which I know nothing, and asserting it as a fact". And you should have thought: "Oh dear, that pretty much makes me a big fat liar". And you should have thought: "Maybe I should stop talking about genetics until I know the first damn thing about it".
Apparently you didn't think any of those things. But this would be an excellent time to start thinking them.

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djufo
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Message 304 of 2073 (738084)
10-04-2014 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 303 by Dr Adequate
10-04-2014 4:41 PM


Re: Pause For Thought
That is exactly the process used by your experts to brainwash you and make you a "believer" to lower your self esteem, or perhaps keep it down where it was to begin with, and give you an exit to a life of depression through a world of science fiction and make you call yourself a "scientist"
When it comes to the theory of human evolution, unfortunately we are wasting money throwing it to the garbage supporting this clowns. These same clowns have been scratching their heads for years trying to come up with the perfect fantasy about our origins. And they get paid for it. I would say, since they don't have anything else to do with their lives, let's mention the theory just to justify their jobs. But from an educational point of view, it is senseless and ridiculous to teach our origins out of a "theory" it is a joke. So ridiculous and stupid, that kids think at it as fact. Is part of our culture and society to "believe" that we evolve from monkeys. That is the level of stupidity and ignorance in the majority of the population.
For how long Dinosaurs were on earth? what they accomplished thanks to evolution?

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RAZD
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Message 305 of 2073 (738089)
10-04-2014 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 300 by djufo
10-04-2014 4:28 PM


Re: Try again? and again?
Before I waste my time replying are you serious about those pictures of monkeys??? ...
If you want a serious debate about the evidence and what that tells us about evolution in general and human evolution in particular, then yes, you will stop pretending to be an authority on topics you are misinformed (generous assessment) about.
Those pictures are not of monkeys, but of hominids. Hominids are apes, just as you are an ape. Apes are primates, just as you are a primate. Monkeys and humans share a common primate ancestor. Now I've told you this before but it appears that you didn't understand or ignored the information (or are too stupid to understand - doubtful - or you are intentionally - maliciously - misrepresenting things, as a troll would do). Trolls try to elicit an emotional response rather than engage in honest debate.
... please tell me if that is displayed as a fact somewhere because that joke has to make news. ...
Again, cognitive dissonance behavior predicts this kind of response to mock and reject information that conflicts with firmly held beliefs.
Curiously, I provided you with the link information so that you could study\read\investigate the information there.
Fossils are facts and you have not explained them. Evolution does.
Again, I have asked you to define evolution, the process and the theory. You haven't, and I suspect this is because you can't ... but you could prove me wrong.
Saying that something that you can't define is a joke is the epitome of ignorant hubris. So give it a try:
The process of evolution is: ___________________________
The theory of evolution is: _____________________________
Would you not agree that arguing with an automechanic about how best to fix your car when you are patently ignorant of how your car works is rather silly?
Enjoy.

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Coyote
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Message 306 of 2073 (738090)
10-04-2014 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by djufo
10-04-2014 5:41 PM


Re: Pause For Thought
Is part of our culture and society to "believe" that we evolve from monkeys.
We did not evolve from monkeys.
Both the ape line (of which we are a part) and monkey line evolved from a critter that can best be described as an ape-toothed monkey.
And this is what the evidence shows--no belief needed.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 397 days)
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Message 307 of 2073 (738092)
10-04-2014 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 304 by djufo
10-04-2014 5:41 PM


Re: Pause For Thought
That is exactly the process used by your experts to brainwash you and make you a "believer" to lower your self esteem, or perhaps keep it down where it was to begin with, and give you an exit to a life of depression through a world of science fiction and make you call yourself a "scientist"
When it comes to the theory of human evolution, unfortunately we are wasting money throwing it to the garbage supporting this clowns. These same clowns have been scratching their heads for years trying to come up with the perfect fantasy about our origins. And they get paid for it. I would say, since they don't have anything else to do with their lives, let's mention the theory just to justify their jobs. But from an educational point of view, it is senseless and ridiculous to teach our origins out of a "theory" it is a joke. So ridiculous and stupid, that kids think at it as fact. Is part of our culture and society to "believe" that we evolve from monkeys. That is the level of stupidity and ignorance in the majority of the population.
For how long Dinosaurs were on earth? what they accomplished thanks to evolution?
This random collection of words is not an answer to my post.
Let me make the point again. What you stated definitively as a fact is known to be 100% wrong. Does that not lead you to question your expertise concerning a subject which you have obviously never bothered to study?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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djufo
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Message 308 of 2073 (738102)
10-04-2014 10:51 PM
Reply to: Message 305 by RAZD
10-04-2014 6:04 PM


Re: Try again? and again?
Thank you for your generous assessment. However,m in your own blindness of your religion, You have no clue what I'm talking about. And I'm gonna point one detail to you. In that picture of monkey heads, explain me WHY IN THE WORLD, ALL the heads except the last 2, are tilted forward??? uh? Who are you trying to fool with that cheap trick. Do you really think the majority of the people is that stupid? Why the last one (Sapiens) is perfectly resting in an horizontal position, while ALL the previous ones are tilted forward. Look at the jaw bone line. Look at the back of the head. Well, here's the reason why: Because if you let them rest in its natural position, THEY DONT LOOK AT ALL LIKE US. That is the reason why, and these clowns know it. But somehow they have to find a cheap way to justify their jobs, and satisfy the demand of those on top to brainwash people. Those ugly monkeys in the pictures barely have a forehead. They HAVE to tilt them forward to make them look somewhat a little similar to an homo sapiens and create an optical illusion of a transition. The last 2 creatures are similar, while all the previous ones are different. It is unbelievable the level of desperation these people reach to try to make that stupid theory work. Even an idiot can see it!

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djufo
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Message 309 of 2073 (738103)
10-04-2014 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 306 by Coyote
10-04-2014 6:06 PM


Re: Pause For Thought
Coyote, don't worry we did not evolve from any of those animals. If we did, you bet a different one would have evolved too. Not just "us" and definitely not from one day to another, but over millions and millions of years.

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Dr Adequate
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Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 310 of 2073 (738107)
10-04-2014 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by djufo
10-04-2014 10:51 PM


Re: Try again? and again?
Thank you for your generous assessment. However,m in your own blindness of your religion, You have no clue what I'm talking about. And I'm gonna point one detail to you. In that picture of monkey heads, explain me WHY IN THE WORLD, ALL the heads except the last 2, are tilted forward??? uh? Who are you trying to fool with that cheap trick. Do you really think the majority of the people is that stupid? Why the last one (Sapiens) is perfectly resting in an horizontal position, while ALL the previous ones are tilted forward. Look at the jaw bone line. Look at the back of the head. Well, here's the reason why: Because if you let them rest in its natural position, THEY DONT LOOK AT ALL LIKE US. That is the reason why, and these clowns know it. But somehow they have to find a cheap way to justify their jobs, and satisfy the demand of those on top to brainwash people. Those ugly monkeys in the pictures barely have a forehead. They HAVE to tilt them forward to make them look somewhat a little similar to an homo sapiens and create an optical illusion of a transition. The last 2 creatures are similar, while all the previous ones are different. It is unbelievable the level of desperation these people reach to try to make that stupid theory work. Even an idiot can see it!
Indeed, being an idiot would seem to be the essential qualification. Anyone else would be able to see that skull N would look more like the previous skulls if it was displayed at the same angle as them.

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Coyote
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Message 311 of 2073 (738110)
10-04-2014 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 309 by djufo
10-04-2014 10:52 PM


Re: Pause For (Dogma)
Coyote, don't worry we did not evolve from any of those animals. If we did, you bet a different one would have evolved too. Not just "us" and definitely not from one day to another, but over millions and millions of years.
Sorry, you are wrong once again.
I have actually studied the evidence; half my graduate work to the Ph.D. level was in the fields of fossil man and human osteology. (The other half was in anthropology/archaeology.)
You are useful for your entertainment value though!
I have seen the evidence, and studied it. It shows you are absolutely wrong--but of course being a troll you won't accept any evidence that contradicts your beliefs, no matter how well-documented that evidence is.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 312 of 2073 (738113)
10-04-2014 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 308 by djufo
10-04-2014 10:51 PM


Re: Try again? and again?
For the benefit of anyone too freakin' stupid to figure out what the picture would look like if you rotated skull N 15 degrees clockwise, here is the picture with skull N rotated 15 degrees clockwise.

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Pressie
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Message 313 of 2073 (738132)
10-05-2014 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by archaeologist
08-10-2010 7:03 PM


Gish Gollop
Why do creationists always do the Gish Gallop?
Rhetological question.

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Percy
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Message 314 of 2073 (738146)
10-05-2014 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by djufo
10-04-2014 4:21 PM


djufo writes:
By the way, evolution of humans should be just mentioned in schools as a theory. it is ridiculous and disrespectful for the whole specie, but since there's a bunch of making a living out of it, it should be just mentioned to kids.
The theory of evolution receives very little attention in most high school biology curricula, usually less than a week, so your wish that it "be just mentioned to kids" is pretty much already the reality.
Importance to facts should be given as priority in education.
I think we can all agree with this.
--Percy

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ringo
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Message 315 of 2073 (738165)
10-05-2014 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 299 by djufo
10-04-2014 4:21 PM


djufo writes:
By the way, evolution of humans should be just mentioned in schools as a theory.
Did your school mention what a theory is? Because you don't seem to understand the concept.
A theory is built by testing hypotheses. Does creationism even have a testable hypothesis?

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