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Author Topic:   University fires scientist, July 2014
mike the wiz
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Message 16 of 25 (738127)
10-05-2014 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
09-30-2014 10:33 AM


Re: worth a laugh
Whereas Percy letting you back into this forum is perhaps not funny, given the majority of your posts seem to contain one sentence and some sort of epithet within that sentence.
"Loony" and "stupid" are two epithets you have recently used pertaining to Christians that accept the bible as plainly read.
Of course epithets are usually used by genuinely stupid people, because the key to an epithet is that the person just has to use an emotive word rather than having to form some sort of argument.

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Pressie
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From: Pretoria, SA
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Message 17 of 25 (738128)
10-05-2014 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by mike the wiz
10-05-2014 6:57 AM


Goodness, gracious me, Mike, you can write a lot.
You do know about mining companies and what they do, don't you?

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mike the wiz
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Message 18 of 25 (738129)
10-05-2014 7:23 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Pressie
10-05-2014 7:13 AM


Goodness, gracious me, Mike, you can write a lot.
I know, it's one of my weirdisms. I have peculiar creative bursts, then I shut down. I can write a lot NOW while I have the energy, but tomorrow you won't be able to get one sentence out of me, because the energy will be ZERO.
I don't value the claims of the opening post, I would say, in fact I haven't even looked into them. But I have to provide some sort of balance so that the Creation-camp are represented in some manner.
Nobody can really treat this type of fragmentary evidence as "conclusive" IMHO. There is a great induction of tenuous geo-chronometers for a young earth and an old earth, and in my opinion it's basically a choice one makes. For example, starlight indicates an old universe, but I would employ Modulous's technicality, that this wouldn't necessarily preclude a young earth. Technically one could have an old universe and a young earth. I myself, in regards to the "age-issue" can only give an honest answer, I CHOOSE to accept the young view by faith. I can't know - of course I can't! Nobody can fully know what happened in the past when it comes to such things. IMHO.

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Pressie
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Message 19 of 25 (738130)
10-05-2014 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by mike the wiz
10-05-2014 7:23 AM


Goodness, gracious me, Mike, you managed to write a lot again.
You're still missing the mining companies in my country.
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jar
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Message 20 of 25 (738131)
10-05-2014 7:56 AM
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10-05-2014 7:23 AM


Why can't they know?
I can't know - of course I can't! Nobody can fully know what happened in the past when it comes to such things. IMHO.
Why can't they know.
And Mike, I have not said Creationists are stupid; I have said Creationism is stupid.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Pressie
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Message 21 of 25 (738134)
10-05-2014 8:32 AM
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10-05-2014 7:56 AM


Why can't we know?
Well, I've learned that 'graduates' from Liberty are crazy as bat "sh*t". Don't ever appoint any of them. Ever. They're crazy.
Easy.
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Modulous
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Message 22 of 25 (738152)
10-05-2014 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by mike the wiz
10-05-2014 6:57 AM


Of course, the burden-of-proof isn't upon anyone to prove a "recent dinosaur"
Unless they claim it.
Any materialist conclusion is acceptable, no matter how silly, (example: abiogenesis)
Proposing explanations that are consistent with how the universe works is acceptable, yes.
Theistic offerings are rejected, no matter how sound.(Overt information code in organisms)
That's not a theistic offering. A theistic offering would be 'a divine being is responsible for the information in organisms', but, to date, without providing evidence that this is the case. Hardly acceptable in the same way as the alternative above.
After all, if history had went the other way, then Darwin would have been thrown out if he was alive today.
Given his personality, I'd assume he'd be field scientist studying barnacles or worms and we'd never hear about him. Either that or he'd crop up as having discovered some new African or American species every now and then.
It would be confirmation evidence represented by the consequent in a conditional implication, because we would expect to find preserved, "less old" tissue if the earth and life is younger, as opposed to millions of years older, because it doesn't makes sense to suspend scientific-laws on behalf of a theory.
Well as a general rule we don't find soft tissue, and the only reasoning proposed that it is young is 'I don't know how it could have survived for as long as you say'. There is no law that means this material must be young.
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NoNukes
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Message 23 of 25 (738205)
10-06-2014 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Dr Adequate
10-04-2014 9:15 PM


Re: He's not a scientist
There are people with proper qualifications who need jobs.
What are the proper qualifications?
There are no degrees in electron microscope operation. Whatever the depth of this persons academic background, it seems he has managed to obtain the requisite background and experience. He's also published in the field.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 24 of 25 (738206)
10-06-2014 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Pressie
10-05-2014 4:28 AM


Re: He's not a scientist
In the interview phase none of those has ever even tried to answer very, very basic questions. What is a Proximate analysis? What is an Ultimate analysis? They don't know.
That problem would almost certainly not have been the case for Armitage who from all indications was hired as a technician and is well versed in the operation of the equipment he was assigned.
What Mr. Armitage isn't is a scientist. But he was not hired to be a scientist.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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Taq
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Message 25 of 25 (738223)
10-06-2014 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by mike the wiz
10-05-2014 7:23 AM


Technically one could have an old universe and a young earth. I myself, in regards to the "age-issue" can only give an honest answer, I CHOOSE to accept the young view by faith. I can't know - of course I can't! Nobody can fully know what happened in the past when it comes to such things. IMHO.
Why can't we use the characteristics and chemical make-up of the rock to determine its age? Why do you rely on faith when you can follow the evidence?

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