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Ringo, although defective, your logic is on the right path. You're right when you say that nobody has the truth. Base on that principle, you put on the table all the different possibilities and modern streams, and see which one makes more sense. Then you start researching and studying that one.

By "Christianity monoteist" do you mean Christian monotheism? I'm not aware of much Christian monotheism, unless you're thinking of religions like Unitarianism. The beginnings of Christianity's trinity trace back to the Constantine's Council of Nicaea (4th century AD, not 5th) where Jesus's codivinity with God was declared. Ancient astronauts? Seriously? At least it explains your interest in the Book of Enoch. I guess I'm still looking for where evidence informs your judgment of what is true and what is not.--Percy

I realize that Trinitarianism is confusing, but we see it as monotheistic.

Trinitarianism is more entertaining than confusing, for instance when trinitarians try to explain how when God says, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased," or when Jesus cries out, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" it's not just God talking to himself.--Percy

The leaps and contortions christians will go through in order to rationalize is amazing. Don't get me start on catholic transubstantiation.

I think it becomes clearer in the first chapter of the Gospel of John. Essentially John tells us that the "Word" or the wisdom of God became flesh. In other words Jesus perfectly embodied the nature of God with His understanding of how God's love for His creation is supposed to play out in our lives. The Holy Spirit is the connection between us in our Earthly dimension and God in His heavenly dimension.That at least is how I get my head around it.

Phat's diagram says it well enough: Three Persons in One God.And this is based directly on scripture, where verses that show three separate Persons each with the attributes of God, are demonstrated, such as HERE But Jesus is also Man, remember, who can talk to God from the point of view of a man.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It's matters not to me what people believe privately, but when they publicly offer their unevidenced rationales they shouldn't expect others to respond, "Oh, that makes perfect sense." If it makes sense to you that's all you should require.--Percy

I just gave you a ton of evidence, and if you haven't tried to understand it how do you know if it makes sense or not? However, you are not, of course, obliged to consider it if you don't want to.But you nevertheless feel free to oblige me to require no more than it make sense to me? Where do you get the authority to tell me I should be content with what makes sense to me and not try to persuade others of these things?

Plus, of course, you feel free to ridicule the Trinitarian concept while requiring that I not try to prove you wrong.

Those are some pretty impressive logistical and intellectual gymnastics you need to perform in order to get the meaning you want out of the actual lines in the bible.

No, you provided no evidence. What you did was offer a very brief and unevidenced rationale plus a link to a religious apologetics webpage of 7000 words. If there's evidence you didn't describe it. As I said, if you're going to publicly claim your rationale is evidenced and makes sense then you can't reasonably object when people merely call attention to the fact that there's neither evidence nor logic.--Percy

You're welcome to prove me wrong to your heart's content. I suggest you do it in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.--Percy

EvC Forum: Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?EvC Forum: Bible Teachings or Traditions of Men?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The confusion comes again from lack of information. You guys are basing your conclusions and guesses on religion. You're not going to find anything there. To picture you how vague just the bible is, imagine I sumarize for you the whole Star Wars saga in one piece of paper. Will you understand the whole movie? No. You won't have an idea of what a hell I'm talking about. Same happens with religion. The bible is a few hundred pages summarizing thousands and thousand of years of history. Or perhaps even billions of years because the genesis includes the formation of the solar system that in reality comes from the Babylonian tablets enuma elish or 7 tablets of creation which explain the cosmic collision that have birth to the present earth.In the case of God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, that God name is Enki. His son, ningizhida, expert in spiritual manipulation, reincarnation, resurrection, was artificially inseminated in a female human. Known as Mary in history. Jesus, is ninghizida. Toth for Egyptians, Hermes for Greeks, Quetzalcoatl for Aztecs, kukulcan for Mayans. Same deities, different names.
Jesus was the last attempt by them to change the course of human civilization. Although Jesus succeeded to some degree, he was brutally assassinated by humans, but of course rescued and resurrected.