|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total) |
| |
ChatGPT | |
Total: 916,877 Year: 4,134/9,624 Month: 1,005/974 Week: 332/286 Day: 53/40 Hour: 4/3 |
Thread ▼ Details |
|
|
Author | Topic: Claims of God Being Omnipotent in the Bible | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
So let me get this strait. You’re saying that; if someone twists and/or lies about what something or someone else says that that (in and of itself) invalidates what was originally said? In other words, if I tell you the sky is blue but ten other people twist or lie about what I said; then what I originally said is not true? So you know what was originally meant? You are privy to the "TRUTH"?Why should we believe you and not someone else? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Please read ‘The Case for Christ’ by Lee Strobel. You cannot be serious. This book is one of the most blatant attempts by an apologist to present fallacy, distortion of evidence and gross misinterpretation to make "The Case for Christ". I challenge you to read also Challenging the Verdict, Earl Doherty, Age of Reason Publications. I have read both. I do find it very interesting that most fundies demand non believers read all of their tracts, but refuse to read anything that counters their own beliefs. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I have not encountered anyone yet who, when properly using the ‘Rules of Interpretation’, have given me a provable error or contradiction in the Bible. The mental gymnastics needed to this must be very painful. I have a feeling no matter what is presented you will not accept it.
Can you give us an example of the fallac(ies), distortion of evidence and gross misinterpretation(s)? Oh here are a couple of his claims that Doherty touches on.1) An unprecedented number of New Testament manuscripts can be dated extremely close to the original writings. TruthSmall scrap of John is from early 2nd century, nothing else is before 200CE 2)Modern New Testament is 99.5% error free.I guess this works for people who feel that their interpretation is the inspired interpretation. TruthThere have been a lot of changes to the text. Isaiah 7:14 used the word almah, which mean woman of a marriageable age. A greek translation erroneously translated this as parthenos, which means virgin. Matthew then used the wrong translation to claim a prophecy was fulfilled in Matthew 1:22-23. Some translations use "virgin", some use "young woman". The correct translation is "young woman" Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
I’m not going to quote all of the evidence here (It world -and does- take up several books), however, the manuscripts, and pieces of manuscripts that we have for all of the parts of (what we call) the modern day Bible out number (by far) the number of manuscripts, and pieces of manuscripts that we have for any other ancient document or group of documents (that aren’t chiseled in or painted on stone). You religious types love to just throw stuff up and see if it sticks. Most of these "manuscripts" are just fragments. Before the 9th century there is only one complete manuscript of the New Testament. It is the Codex Sinaiticus from the 4th century CE.We are told repeatedly by fundies that that the number of New Testament manuscripts is 5664. Source:Lee Strobel, Case for Christ Only 59 are complete or almost complete all but 3 date from 9th century CE or later. All the rest are fragments. Some consist of only a few verses. Now a lot of fundies love to compare this with the fact that the Iliad has only 643 surviving manuscripts. The problem here is that the Iliad is a single book by a single author. The numbers are not anywhere near impressive when you break down the New Testament to its individual books. Contradictions in the bible.I found these in The Rejection of Pascals Wager by Paul Tobin. Who Conquered Hebron: Joshua or Caleb?Who Slew Goliath: David or Elhanan? Botany of the Mustard Seed. What did Judas do with his 30 silver coins and how did he die? These are contradictions. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The original texts were written in Sumerian cuneiform, in clay tablets, 3,000-8,000 years ago. Please tell us where these tablets are kept so that we can look at them. Do you at least have a picture?Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Her are a few choice bits from your link.
quote:Uh no, science has revealed no such thing quote:Hmm interesting, so how about someone showing us the parts that have been translated that say what is claimed. quote:Ahh, his own "special" translation. So basically you got nothing.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Theodoric Member Posts: 9197 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
|
I guess those that "discipline" themselves to think critically realize that there is probably no supernatural. Cuz, if there were we would have some evidence. If evidence seems to appear we will reevaluate.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024