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NoNukes
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Message 91 of 114 (738381)
10-09-2014 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
10-08-2014 7:04 PM


Re: Amnesiac Homunculus
I don't have any reason to doubt people when they describe such things myself, although you may feel you do. I've also had people describe to me seeing angels and demons during ordinary waking states, and have no reason to doubt them either.

You have plenty of reason to doubt. You just don't. The fact that you've given some possible alternative explanations that you don't even try to rule out means you have reason to doubt.

And of course you aren't claiming that these experience occur in the absence of brain activity anyway.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 107 of 114 (738449)
10-10-2014 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
10-10-2014 4:45 PM


Re: Mind-Body Problem
Pointless

Edited by NoNukes, : PaulK has it covered


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 108 of 114 (738451)
10-10-2014 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Straggler
10-10-2014 1:32 PM


Re: Mind-Body Problem
Do you think minds can exist independently of brains (or some other material equivalent)? If you do you are a dualist. If you don't you are a materialist.

I agree, but the mind/brain duality or lack thereof is just one implication of materialism. Materialism embraces all processes in nature and is not limited to the mind.

quote:
Materialism is a form of philosophical monism which holds that matter is the fundamental substance in nature, and that all phenomena, including mental phenomena and consciousness, are the result of material interactions.

Philosophical physicalism has evolved from materialism with the discoveries of the physical sciences to incorporate far more sophisticated notions of physicality than mere ordinary matter, such as: spacetime, physical energies and forces, dark matter, and so on. Thus the term "physicalism" is preferable over "materialism", while others use the terms as if they are synonymous.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism

I'm pretty sure that the OP is using materialism in the sense described above.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 109 of 114 (738452)
10-10-2014 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Faith
10-10-2014 4:45 PM


Re: Mind-Body Problem
I shouldn't have to "point to" something every human being knows by observation and experience; OR, in fact I've already pointed to it many times.

In short what you are saying is that there is nothing really to debate regarding dualism and materialists. It is quite obvious that the materialists are wrong. We just need to consult the dictionary and common sense. It's obvious, right?

I'll note that your position on the issue is exactly the same as your position on evolution, the formation of the grand canyon, and many other subjects you take a position on here. Small wonder you always end up frustrated. Those kinds of arguments wouldn't convince a frat boy to take a sip of beer.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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