Summations Only

The doctrine handed down from faithful believer to faithful believer over the centuries as the truth they all recognized in scripture.

If people don't know that the Bible is the basis for Christian doctrine this discussion was so hopeless from the beginning I wish I'd stayed out of it.

I did show it Percy, I showed how known Catholic practices violate known Bible doctrine.

I'm pretty sure Islam comes out ahead in most analyses especially when you include rates of deconversion in the numbers (Christianity is losing a lot of Westerners). The challenge is to imagine something saying something that is not in our imagination?Let's say we discover an ancient Israelite scroll or carving that contains the end of Genesis and the Beginning of Exodus but in the middle is a lost text and that text has eriodic_table_%28polyatomic%29.svg]-->this information along with an explanation followed by a mathematical proof of the existence a two-dimensional shape that forms the prototile for an aperiodic tiling, but not for any periodic tiling. along with a long speech by God about nuclear fusion powering the stars which is identical to what's happening in the sun. I'd imagine we'd see a deep explanation for human psychology along with methods for creating an environment that maximally fosters humanity along with reasons for how and why this works. And so on.In short, I'd expect him to sound entirely unlike the people he is speaking to. Not a revolutionary of his times, with some interesting advances in theology or morality - but someone that could have sparked the industrial revolution in ancient Israel.I mean, obviously artists aren't always like that, and maybe the Creator is a bit of a bum. But if he was to be worthy of veneration he'd have to do that kind of thing. I could imagine a creator saying 'What's going on on this planety? Life? How did that happen? Sorry for the inconvenience, but I have to kill you all now', I suppose but you'd dismiss that as the god of imagination. It's all imagination really - but my most realistic estimate is that such a Creator would be radically different than humans by virtue of the radical differences inherent in the definitions of the beings.

If that is true then that god is evil and not just unworthy of worship but deserving of condemnation.To think that is the Christian answer is to condemn Christianity as well.

More content free posts from you. But that can be said by those that disagree with you as well.

What you showed was that you are assuming that everything that violates what you consider to be known Bible doctrine is what determines what you're considering to be not Christian.By "assuming" I mean taking it for granted as being the position that you provided an argument for.Right?

Of course you do. Your hubris is amazing. If you and your type populated heaven I wouldn't want to be there anyway.By the way where is heaven?Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.

It can't be said by the Arians (Jehovah's Witnesses) or Mormons or Roman Catholics either. They all deviate from the doctrine at crucial points.

They deviate from your interpretation of doctrine, which deviates from original christian doctrine.

The Bible doctrine I showed the RCC contradicts is so commonly known it doesn't depend on me or anybody's view of it for explanation. Unless you recall the gospels quoting Jesus as telling his disciples they should wheel and deal as best they can to get the uppermost seat in heaven over their brethren; or you recall Jesus preaching to the multitudes that His mother has equal status with Him in redemption and she was born without sin too; unless you recall Jesus telling them to teach the people to call Peter and the others Father; unless you recall Jesus taking out His rosary to teach them how to pray, and emphasized the importance of repetitive prayer. Unless you recall Jesus telling Peter to expect to be clothed in glorious robes and have a bejeweled tiara put on his head as he rules the flock from Rome. And of course He would also have taught that ruling over the flock is what they should do; none of this equality and priesthood of believers stuff.

This is exactly the kind of nonsense that costs you whatever is left of your flagging credibility. Jesus said nothing about this stuff. And further it is of next to no consequence how the Pope, a bishop, or your pastor dresses. Did Jesus tell Peter to wear black pants with a vest and suspenders? Did Jesus tell Peter to dress in cowboy boots, 10 gallon hat, and jeans with holes in the knees? No.The Pope does lots of stuff that isn't mentioned in the Bible. So what? So do all Christians. Doing things not mentioned in the Bible is not necessarily a sin or evil or wrong.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

After this thread, on which my opponents have reached a new low of irrationality beyond even my own most jaundiced anticipation, and of which this particular post of yours is such an embarrassment I don't know whether to laugh or cry or hope for your sake it just goes quietly into the dark night, the very last thing I could ever want is credibility at EvC.Yikes.

Isn't this essentially the same thing you say every thread?

It's just about possible but entirely improbable and then only if your parents had been Christian. Had you been born anytime before mass transit, you wouldn't have even heard of other religions - or even atheism - nor would you have the time and luxury to worry about life the universe and everything. You'd be doing what your neighbours did, breeding children and praying to Allah. That is not a Christian answer - that is your made up answer and it's extraordinary immoral and unjust. The billions of pepole that God has not selected for no other reason than the random chance of birth are, according to you, not getting into heaven. That is a pretty revolting idea, not worthy of even the lowliest god.But I guess it's ok because he's chosen you? So much for the meek and the mild.