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Author | Topic: Is the Bible the inerrant word of God? Or is it the words of men? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Taq Member Posts: 9970 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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But of course we can ignore the gospels, TRUE Christianity must be what the Pope says it is, huh? The irony of this statement is quite delicious. Is TRUE christianity what Faith says it is? You are displaying the same hubris that you detest in others.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I really get your point, Faith, and I have to say it makes sense. What other basis for Christian doctrine and belief could there be but the Bible, since there is no other source of information about Jesus Christ and his teachings?
And your point is well taken that the practices of the RCC pretty obviously contradict the letter and the spirit of the scriptures. I for one thank you for informing us of these things. In my dreams, I know. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
I've tried to keep out of this discussion, but seriously, Faith, Why would a rational person lie just to pretend that you are right ?
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat writes:
I would be more interested and impressed if the writer was a believer in God and accepted the "Jesus character" as more than simply a character.jar writes: Because this is my belief and it is very important to me for it to be real. I can read fiction and fantasy from any writer, but when it comes to my faith/belief, I am more likely to trust a writer who has had experience with God and/or Jesus. Why?jar writes: There is no concrete way to prove that an individual has had these experiences, nor is there a way that the experiences can be replicated upon demand. There is a way that you can judge the character and honor of an individual based on what they have experienced, however. Corrie Ten Boom and her experiences in the nazi death camps comes to mind. Listening to survivors of such strong emotional events allows you to separate the fake from the real. Call it intuition. And yes, I will admit it is not 100% foolproof. I admit that I could be wrong in my judgements. I also admit freely that confirmation bias is usually involved. It is my belief, however, that the genuine and honest storyteller will be self evident.
How would you tell? Phat writes: Of course this would only happen if the writer believed not only in the God he or she wrote about but the GOD --Creator of all seen and unseen--Who many would say reached out to humanity through Jesus Christ who was initially Gods character long before any writers got ahold of the script. jar writes: A genuine experience can be written about better than a made up fantasy. What does that mean?
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
How do you tell that the experience is a reflection of reality and not hallucination?
You have never told how to test that the experience of meeting God or being saved or being born again is real.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
A genuine experience can be written about better than a made up fantasy.
Bullshit. Fiction can be a lot more engrossing than non-fiction. The skill of the writer is more important than whether the experience was genuine or not.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Faith writes: Anyone who knows and believes the Bible and represents it correctly speaks for God, sorry.But you are right, it is a matter of opinions after all, the opinion of those who believe God and His word versus the opinion of those who reject it ... The author of the Gospel of John tells us that Jesus is the "Word" of God. Instead of believing the "Word" of God you choose to believe a collection of books written by men inspired to write down their understanding, coloured by their cultural and personal influences, of God trying to make Himself and His nature understood by humans. It is an ongoing story that the writers sometimes get right and sometimes get wrong. All theists worship some form of God. It is His nature that we struggle to come to grips with. You somehow manage to believe in a god who both commands mass slaughter and the stoning to death of those committing minor offences, with one who commands us to love our neighbour and even our enemy. I choose to believe in God as seen through the lens of Jesus as depicted in the Gospels as opposed to the sometimes loving sometimes hateful god depicted in other books of the Bible. As I have said before, the religion is Christianity not the Biblianity that you adhere to.He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God. Micah 6:8
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I don't see what "surrendering to the will of God" has to do with the topic. God could have dictated the Bible, word for word, in King James English, and the scribes could have written it down faithfully regardless of any ulterior motives or intentions. We have reporters today who faithfully report the news even if they don't believe a word of what the protagonists are saying. Were the individuals who collectively were responsible for deciding which words and books were to be allowed in the popular Bible motivated through prayer and a life where not just the mind and emotions but the daily will surrendered to God? Or...were they motivated by other spirits or vibes or intentions? The problem with inerrancy is that the content doesn't match reality. Therefore, either the source didn't know what he was talking about or he was reported inaccurately. The reasons why he may have been reported inaccurately are not really relevant.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What other basis for Christian doctrine and belief could there be but the Bible, since there is no other source of information about Jesus Christ and his teachings? Posters other than this particular poster might have a few concerns for this particular 'Rational EvC-er' 1) What impressions did people form about Jesus in the decade or more between when Christ lived and the first Gospel was completed? 2) Which of the many possible interpretations of scripture is correct? 3) Why is Faith so concerned about the Pope's hat? And why does she deny that Protestants have ever persecuted other Christians and Catholics? Why does she make excuses for anti-semitism?
I for one thank you for informing us of these things. We can find hatred of Catholicism anywhere on the internet. But thank you for the peek inside the mind of a hater.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Everything I quoted (I think, just about anyway, and besides, Jesus authored the entire Bible, it's ALL His Word) was from Jesus Himself, the Word as you point out, whose words you'd never find out except from the written Word. Without it nobody would have a clue about Jesus Christ and His teachings but you dismiss the very source of knowledge about Him. How ludicrous. You wouldn't know He is the Word of God without the written Word. Pretty irrational to dismiss the Bible as if you could know Jesus without it.
Yes, I believe God's "mass slaughters" are demonstrations of His judgments against sin. Most of them followed hundreds of years of His being patient with the people before bringing the judgment. You can learn from these things how God deals with sin or you can ignore it and get caught off guard. He gives us such information for our own good. God uses the personalities and cultural experience of His inspired writers too. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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I'm sure the Pope appreciates your fervent politically correct defense of the RCC's wealth and false doctrine, and especially your hatred of traditional Protestantism. Do let us know if he invites you for a special audience.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm sure the Pope appreciates your fervent politically correct defense of the RCC's wealth and false doctrine, and especially your hatred of traditional Protestantism. Some Protestant chapters of Club Christian certainly deserve not hatred but pity, revulsion and disgust. Calvinism is one example. It is based on all that is evil and despicable about a theology or God. The basis of Calvinism is the lowest possible expression of humanity, faith, empathy and love.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm sure God has heard your complaint loud and clear and given it due consideration. You can expect to be apprised of his conclusions at the appropriate time.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 393 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
LOL
I have no doubt any God worthy of worship would condemn Calvinism as well.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Get a room.
Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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