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GDR didn't claim that inspiration made robots of inspired authors. That's his description of your claim that Jesus was the author. GDR believes in inspiration. He does NOT believe that it makes robots of the authors. So no, you were not answering GDR's claims at all.

So give us references where He quoted from Nahum, Obadiah, or Esther. Or Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, 1 Chronicles, Job, Ezra, Nehemiah, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, Song of Songs, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Joel, Amos, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, or Haggai.(I got these examples from a Catholic website, by the way, so here's yor chance to prove them wrong.)

Oh for crying out loud. Yes he accused ME of promoting the idea of robots because I believe in the inspiration of scripture. THAT IS WHAT I WAS ANSWERING. Good grief.

I am going to have to repeat the point that GDR believes in the inspiration of Scripture. He did NOT describe inspiration as rendering the human authors into robots. He did not attack you for believing in inspiration at all. So be honest, Faith, stop using the term "inspiration" to confuse the issue and misrepresent GDR.

Stop confusing things with your ignorance. GDR denies that God inspired the Old Testament passages that he happens not to like. He pretty much said the only scripture he takes seriously is the gospels. GDR does NOT believe in the inspiration of scripture.

There's a difference between rejecting inspiration of scripture and rejecting the inspiration of particular passages.And just to be clear the point of contention is your claim that Jesus authored the entire Bible. Which is denying the contributions of the human authors, against any sensible reading of the Bible. And your repeated attempts to evade the issue indicates to me very clearly that you can,t defend it and so you're engaged in one of your typical campaigns of dishonesty in an attempt to hide that fact.Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.

Also Faith, being inspired does not mean it is factually correct. There is a lot in the Bible that is simply factually incorrect whether inspired or not.

So you're inventing some notion of inspiration which is not the traditional orthodox understanding of the term, which I don't even recognize because it makes no sense, and then accusing me of evading it. That much I think I get, beyond that it's total confusion.

Being inspired means God authored it and if God authored it there is absolutely nothing in it that is anything but correct.

Then the evidence shows that god is not very bright and pretty incompetent.You have a problem there faith. If you take that position then the god you are trying to market is either a liar, a fool or a joker.

People would agree that Mozart was inspired to right beautiful music. Does that mean that God or someone else gave him the melody? Your understanding of inspiration would be that God, or someone else gave him the melody and he just put down the notes.

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Inspiration:: something that makes someone want to do something or that gives someone an idea about what to do or create : a force or influence that inspires someone

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: a person, place, experience, etc., that makes someone want to do or create something

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My belief is that God inspired people to write about their understanding of the nature of God, how we are to relate to Him, etc. That does not mean that it is inerrant. We have been given Jesus to bring clarity.

You are referring to a different meaning of inspiration. God's inspiration of the Biblical authors does mean that their writing is inerrant. And again you characterize inspiration absurdly as depriving the human author of his own character and personality, which is what I already answered. Clearly you don't get it and aren't going to get it.They "spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."
Here's a thought though: when you write you write what makes sense to you that's in your own mind. When the inspired writers wrote the Bible what was in their minds was God's own thoughts that had become their own. There is nothing robotic about this process but I'm sure you'll continue to think so.2 Peter 1:21

mistakeEdited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Here's another try. I know it will probably give me one big headache from the kinds of attitudes it's likely to provoke here, that I dared to compare the inspired authors of scripture with ordinary Christians who are led by the Holy Spirit. But I do believe the comparison is fair, and I don't know quite how to define the difference except that at least it's a matter of degree. But I was just thinking about how sometimes God does give me His own thoughts on some subjects when I pray for them, and that experience iis what I think is similar. If I'm praying intensely for something, usually something political or about the Church and that sort of thing, I want to know God's view of it, and sometimes immediately, sometimes later, a few days later perhaps, I'll have the clear impression in my mind of God's view of the situation. How do I know it's God's? That's hard to say too since most of the time I don't think of my thoughts as God's thoughts, but I suppose when I do it has to do with their moral feeling, that they move my conscience. Or something like that. Sometimes they are practical thoughts though so that one isn't so easy to explain.BUT THE POINT IS, when I have a view of something I believe to be God's view, it's one among many views that pass through my mind, it doesn't grip me and remove my own mind from me or whatever you all think must be involved, I simply LIKE the thought and I think a lot about it, think my own thoughts about it. If it's something for my blog I start thinking about how to write it. I could choose to ignore the thought I think is God's and on occasion I do, though at those times it's because I'm not completely convinced.I have not lost my free will. Nor my own characteristic way of doing things either, as the thoughts don't usually come to me word for word in some particular style I feel compelled to duplicate exactly when I write about it in my blog. They are more impressions, sometimes images. I write it in my own style, just as the authors of the Bible wrote God's thoughts in their own style and through their own cultural lenses.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That is a clear heartfelt post Faith and I'll try to answer in kind. I agree that God reaches out to us in the subtle ways that you experience. I also agree with you that it is difficult to sort out what is of God and what isn't. If we believe something is the right thing to do then hopefully we do it.More than once in my life I have had the sense that I was to do something specific. In one case it ultimately led me into a ministry with seniors that I have maintained for 35 years. I don't however think that my life experiences validates my specific religious beliefs. It does confirm for me that there is an intelligence subtly influencing our loves and that the intelligence is one that cares about us, just as I don't see your life experience confirming your specific religious beliefs.I'm not sure where you get your definition of "inspired" from but I'd be interested in knowing why you think that it is your definition that should be used and not mine.As I mentioned, you agreed that it is hard to know what is of God and what isn't. Wouldn't that have been the same for the Biblical authors? Sometimes they got it right and sometimes not. Just like us. We have the Word of God embodied by the man Jesus and we have enough of what it was that He said and did to gain clear picture of the nature of God Sometimes that picture is consistent with what the OT authors wrote and sometimes it isn't. We have been given the lens to provide clarity.I use my favourite Bible verse as a signature on this forum and it is from the OT, but it is a verse whose truth is confirmed by the message and life of Jesus.Faith as a woman how do you react to this quote from Deuteronomy 22.

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13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," 15 then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives. 20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

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Here is a quote from John 8:

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1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?"6They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them,"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stoneat her."8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

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Can you not see that these two passages present two entirely different views of the nature of God. Saying that they needed those laws then just doesn't cut it. Do you really believe that passage from Deuteronomy is of God? Faith, we have the unadulterated Word of God in Jesus Christ why do you ignore what He says in favour of maintaining the inerrancy of passages like the one I just quoted?