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Colbard
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Message 126 of 373 (740052)
10-31-2014 10:02 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by nwr
10-31-2014 9:08 AM


Re: Guessing about guesses
So somehow we ought to go by what is officially guessed about the universe, rather than what some individual or small group might have on it.
And we are not to assume that because the big numbers will change their minds in the future, that what we have today is not true.
Wow.

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Colbard
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Message 132 of 373 (740085)
10-31-2014 7:49 PM


A general reply to the above posts,
There is nothing wrong with having a systematic and methodical approach, which many scientists are true to, but it is not all that simple and innocent and truthful as you might imagine.
Edited by Colbard, : No reason given.

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Colbard
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Message 137 of 373 (740156)
11-02-2014 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Percy
11-01-2014 8:03 AM


Percy writes:
but if you have a method better than science for studying the natural world then let's hear it.
Just to use your response as representing most here,
I don't disagree with the methods used to prove something, but I object to its absence and denial of spiritual or moral laws which are part of reality as well.
Genuine science cannot be amoral without railroading itself.
If science is amoral, then you cannot accuse me of being wrong, because it is a moral term in the first instance.

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Colbard
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Message 140 of 373 (740217)
11-03-2014 3:43 AM


Spiritual and natural laws are harmonious, and nature is based and operated on spiritual principles.
So in regards to the thread topic, we can only make a sound comment on the universe, its beginnings, structures etc, if we have an understanding of what those spiritual principles are.
But if you want to go down the dry road of science which has conveniently dismissed spirituality then what you end up with is a forum that is short of numbers and boring as hell, because people are spiritual whether they know it or not.

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Colbard
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Message 155 of 373 (740433)
11-05-2014 6:01 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Astrophile
11-03-2014 3:12 PM


Astyrophile writes:
How do you know this?
Second, do you personally have an understanding of what these spiritual principles are? If so, what comment can you make on 'the universe, its beginnings, structures etc.' on the basis of these spiritual principles, and can you show how this comment follows from these principles?
There are principles of existence and or life that are up held by the laws of the land.
Murder, stealing, adultery, lying, coveting, disrespect for parents and authority, disrespect for life, property and the qualities of life. These violate life and therefor life could not have come forth without these protections.
They speak of equality, respect for leadership and life sources, having enough but not with greed, sharing, mutual relationships, boundaries, etc all these are largely obeyed by the animal kingdom as necessary for their own survival.
These principles can be taken further into the material world, with factors like harmony, consistency, dependability, precision and accuracy, balance, economy, etc which apply to the laws of physics and are demonstrable through out the universe. If it were not the case, a method of study cannot be applied to a totally unpredictable material world.
The universe and all of its manifestations lean towards order, beauty and purpose, - qualities that cannot be reproduced without extremely high intelligence, design, artwork, organisation, wisdom and purpose.
These are spiritual principles and there is no evidence that any universe could exist without them.
The laws are designed to have a support system in place for all things, and that all things are in harmony through reflection and replication of those support systems.
The universe is made on the principles of allowing energy to operate at its lowest and most economic level. The highest energy is the most complex, intelligent and permanent, while the subjective forces are systematically simplified at each level down, into temporal categories.
This means, as proven by science, that the universe has much more energy both in amount and complexity to support what we call matter, which is relatively simple and less powerful, and yet from this relative simplicity (because it is not simple on any level as far as we are concerned) we have designer quality life forms.
So at the beginning of our universe we have intelligence and power, and in the product of the universe we have intelligent life.
But only Intelligence produces intelligence, not greater but lesser, yet with a support system and authority based on Love.

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Colbard
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Message 181 of 373 (740727)
11-07-2014 6:04 AM
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11-05-2014 4:08 PM


Astrophile writes:
I don't see how spiritual principles could exist without a material universe for them to exist in.
That's because your concept of 'spiritual' is a disconnected ghost land or nothing at all?
When it could be the other way around,- that matter is relatively a hologram compared to other powers called spiritual powers.

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