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Faith 
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Message 736 of 1309 (740920)
11-08-2014 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 735 by jar
11-08-2014 9:14 AM


I suggest the reading problem is yours.
Oh you betcha it's lawlessness and iniquity according to the whole Biblical context. Marriage is specifically defined as between a man and a woman, and given by God in Eden, quoted by Jesus too; and homosexuality is clearly denounced as sin.
And outside the Bible these same principles have been recognized as well by all cultures back forever, defining homosexuality as an aberration or unnatural. Interestingly I saw a report earlier today on a court decision that made this point about how gay marriage is a contradiction to the view historically held by every culture, on which basis they allowed the anti-gay marriage views of the people to stand in four states, at least for now. If I run across that information again I'll put up a link.
There is no way to make gay marriage anything but an invention of a lawless mentality.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 737 of 1309 (740921)
11-08-2014 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 659 by Faith
11-07-2014 12:52 PM


Faith writes:
I thought we were talking about the One/New World Order.
Only insofar as it applies to homosexuality, evo, creo and ID, which is not very much.
Faith writes:
However, the idea that marriage applies to homosexuals is certainly one of the thousands of signs that the world is upside down and headed for disaster.
The world has always been headed for disaster. We've passed through most of them, scathed but still alive. Some day there may be a disaster that we don't survive. That one, according to you, will be caused by your petty, sadistic "God".
And "our" world has always been "upside down" to people on the other side. It's relative.

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Faith 
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Message 738 of 1309 (740925)
11-08-2014 11:06 AM
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11-08-2014 10:40 AM


2 Peter 3:3-4:
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

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ringo
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Message 739 of 1309 (740928)
11-08-2014 11:15 AM
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11-08-2014 11:06 AM


quote:
2 Peter 3:3-4: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Good one.
No doubt there were scoffers on day one and on year one and on decade one. There were still scoffers after a century and after a millennium. No surprises that there are still scoffers after two millennia.
So how do tell the difference between two millennia and ten millennia?

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Faith 
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Message 740 of 1309 (740938)
11-08-2014 12:05 PM
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11-08-2014 11:15 AM


Well, technically speaking the Last Days began with the coming of the Messiah, so they've been with us for two millennia, but we'd expect that the same trends would increase as we get closer to the last of the last days.

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ringo
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Message 741 of 1309 (740940)
11-08-2014 12:11 PM
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11-08-2014 12:05 PM


Faith writes:
Well, technically speaking the Last Days began with the coming of the Messiah, so they've been with us for two millennia....
For truth in advertising, you should call them the Last Eons.

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Tangle
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Message 742 of 1309 (740941)
11-08-2014 12:13 PM
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11-08-2014 12:05 PM


Faith writes:
Well, technically speaking the Last Days began with the coming of the Messiah, so they've been with us for two millennia, but we'd expect that the same trends would increase as we get closer to the last of the last days.
Well it was clear that everyone concerned expected the second coming pretty much immediately after his death which is what the bible actually says.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. - Matthew 24:34
It's the biggest failed prophecy of the entire bible and proves its falsehood.
That aside, I've told you that sin is declining and has been for centuries - that's the actual trend.

Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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frako
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Message 743 of 1309 (740945)
11-08-2014 12:48 PM
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11-08-2014 12:05 PM


Well, technically speaking the Last Days began with the coming of the Messiah, so they've been with us for two millennia, but we'd expect that the same trends would increase as we get closer to the last of the last days.
Given that he has been coming soon for the past 2000 years isnt it time that you face reality that he is not coming.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Faith 
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Message 744 of 1309 (740947)
11-08-2014 1:02 PM
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11-08-2014 12:13 PM


The word "generation" has different meanings depending on context. Since it couldn't refer to the generation of the disciples it is often understood to refer to the generation of those who will be alive during the time of the appearance of the signs and wonders described. There is also no other passage that implies the generation of the disciples would see all these things. But the word can also be taken to refer to race, meaning that the Jewish people would not pass away until it was all fulfilled. Consider the passage "Noah was perfect in his generations." Clearly the word has more than one meaning in the Biblical context.
What can I say about your notion that there is LESS sin in the world now. You really believe that? I guess that just makes you a good representative of today's mindset which radically opposes the Biblical mindset. Amazing polarization of viewpoints these days.

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Faith 
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Message 745 of 1309 (740948)
11-08-2014 1:04 PM
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11-08-2014 12:48 PM


[Msg=738]

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jar
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Message 746 of 1309 (740949)
11-08-2014 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 736 by Faith
11-08-2014 10:38 AM


Re: I suggest the reading problem is yours.
Oh Faith, again you simply live in a world of your own with definitions of your own.
If something is legal it cannot by definition be lawlessness.
And if you had ever read the Bible you would know that marriage was a secular social contract, period.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Larni
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Message 747 of 1309 (740952)
11-08-2014 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 734 by Faith
11-08-2014 8:20 AM


But God has allowed Christians to be persecuted throughout the millennia, there is nothing new there, it's just new in America. First the pagan Romans threw us to the lions and later the Roman Church slaughtered us by the millions. Nothing new under the sun.
That's true. Your God really seems to hate you guys.
view historically held by every culture
Like slavery?
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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Faith 
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Message 748 of 1309 (740954)
11-08-2014 1:26 PM
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11-08-2014 1:12 PM


Re: I suggest the reading problem is yours.
How nave of you. If you legalize inherently evil actions or criminalize inherently good actions you are committing lawlessness. I'm sure you would agree that legalizing slavery would be an example of a bad law.

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jar
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Message 749 of 1309 (740955)
11-08-2014 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 748 by Faith
11-08-2014 1:26 PM


Re: I suggest the reading problem is yours.
It might be a bad law but it cannot be lawlessness if it is legal, except maybe in the Christian Cult of Ignorance New Speak.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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frako
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Posts: 2932
From: slovenija
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Message 750 of 1309 (740958)
11-08-2014 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 748 by Faith
11-08-2014 1:26 PM


Re: I suggest the reading problem is yours.
I'm sure you would agree that legalizing slavery would be an example of a bad law.
Not according to the bible there is no paragraph saying slavery is bad. Hell there are even instructions on how to sell your daughter, how to beat your slaves ....
as per the previous post your saying because i mentioned that it has been a long time since he said he would come and that probably means he is not coming, actually translates to he is coming real soon.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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