Homosexuality and Evo, Creo, and ID

Is it inherently good to kill gays (as per Lev 20:13)?

The bible is written for simple folk and it has simple meanings. As soon as you have to reach for 'context' to explain away a straightforward statement like that, you've lost the argument. It means what it says. You can say, 'yes I see what you mean, crime has actually been declining significantly for generations. That's really good news.' And then you can start believing in this world and the people in i instead of hating everything and everybody.

I guess it doesn't matter how many times I answer a false accusation it will keep coming up.Slavery is endemic to the human race.
The OT gave laws to humanize the treatment of slaves, who had often become slaves in order to pay off a debt.
The NT laid the groundwork to end slavery.
It was Christians who opposed slavery, nobody else ever did.
Until now when all this is forgotten and the Bible is crazily accused of promoting it.

The death penalty was enacted in Israel in some cases to protect the nation from behaviors that could corrupt God's people. It is also of course meant to show that God considers the act to be worthy of death. But Jesus didn't come for vengeance, He came for salvation, so salvation is offered to all who are willing to repent. In the end God will judge sinners who don't repent. There's a long list of sins that keep one out of the Kingdom of God and homosexuality is one of them.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Overall the Bible was written for anyone to undestand, certainly as far as the principles of salvation are concerned, but there are parts where it's not all that easy to understand, which should be expected of a book that is about the nature of God among other complicated things. If it were all that easy God wouldn't have said we need preachers and teachers."Generation" is the English translation that covers different concepts held in Bible times. Languages don't correspond to each other that closely, there are always some problems.

And now something much much worse is happening --- in certain states, certain people under certain circumstances are not allowed to be mean to gays in certain ways. Well, it's one thing to be eaten alive by lions, but imagine the savage cruelty of not being able to express hatred as and when you choose. My heart bleeds for you.Of course, these laws, where they exist, apply equally to Christians and non-Christians, but as Christians are much more likely to hate gay people, the laws are obviously anti-Christian --- like the laws against molesting choirboys.

Gosh you could be the poster boy for Political Correctness, you've got the twisted lies down pat. You should see if that office could be created in Washington. They'd probably welcome you heartily.

And which twisted lies would be?I've noticed lately that you've been making a lot of very non-specific accusations of dishonesty. This is frankly unimpressive. If you really find your opponents' arguments unanswerable, it would be more dignified to shut up. But if you have answers, you should try to supply them.

Big lie back there about it being a Christian who beheaded a person in Oklahoma. Unbelievable lie.The term "hate" is pure formulaic Political Correctness propaganda and a big fat lie. The kind of term used to manipulate emotions as prescribed by Hitler himself. Worthy of Goebbels. That's why I think they'd love you in Washington, you're so good at it. Ministry of Propaganda.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It appears to be perfectly true. Why do you think it's a lie? If it is, it is certainly not one of mine, it's what's been reported by, y'know, everyone. Y'know, when you go around comparing anyone who dares disagree with you to Hitler and Goebbels, you do seem to be a teensy bit hate-y.

This is a real longshot, but the word 'generation' could actually mean what it always means. The ONLY reason you have to try to make it mean something that it doesn't mean, is because it shows the failure of the most important prophecy in the bible.Additionally sin/crime is falling - this is a proven fact. You haven't provided anything to contradict that statement yet. Why not?Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.

Sure and in 100 years time Christians will claim the NT was the basis to end the mistreatment of gays and that it was Christians who fought to welcome our gay brothers and sisters as equals.Some new testament verses promoting slavery:Luke 12:45-48: "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."Ephesians 6:5-9: "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."Colossians 4:1: "Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven."1 Timothy 6:1-3 "Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;"Now kindly show me some passages in the bible that say slavery is wrong.Now i am not going to cite history for you as no matter what i show you you will still claim that Christianity was the ultimate good and those Christians that promoted slavery where not Christians at all. But i consider knowing history as basic Knowledge something everybody should know, because you cant avoid mistakes in the future if you don't know the mistakes of the past. So i do strongly recommend you at least Google the subject and read up on it take 45 minutes of your day to educate yourself. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Edited by frako, : No reason given.

The guy was a recent convert to Islam and beheaded the woman because that's what Islam says to do.Political Correctness is promoted by slanderous accusations, typical propaganda method. Form of ad hominem. Comparison with Goebbels Propaganda Ministry quite legitimate comparison of method.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You don't provide context for the subpoenaing of the "Diocese" but let me guess it's about child molestation. You can't compare a criminal action with the subpoenas of the Houston pastors for political speech which is protected by the First Amendment.

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You can't compare a criminal action with the subpoenas of the Houston pastors for political speech which is protected by the First Amendment.

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Now there's a fine example of a manipulative presentation. Subpoenas raised for a criminal investigation are exactly the sort of thing you'd expect to see if the government were really attacking the churches. But subpoenas to gather evidence for defence against prosecution are not. Perhaps, more importantly the question of whether the speech is protected is NOT relevant. Protected doesn't mean "secret" or confidential - and the idea that a sermon is intended to be confidential is nuts. All it means is that you can't be prosecuted for saying it. But the preachers are not being prosecuted, are they ? The question of protected speech is irrelevant - it is only being dragged up to make it seem as if the city did something really bad instead of just issuing overbroad subpoenas. Pure manipulation.Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.