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Phat
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Message 811 of 1309 (741148)
11-10-2014 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 809 by frako
11-10-2014 6:05 AM


Pleasing The All Smitey
frako writes:

So when do you think gods wrath is coming ...

Gods wrath will come the day that I stop trying to do my best, love others, and represent hate instead of love. Christians now live in an age of grace and have no business running around like Old Testament prophets warning people to shape up. If God were intent on smiting people, we all would have already been smited...since none of us are without sin and/or shortcomings...and God would have erased us and started over.

One thing I like about you frako is that you have a sense of humor. Keep trying to do your best.


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One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo


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Message 812 of 1309 (741149)
11-10-2014 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 808 by Faith
11-09-2014 10:59 PM


"Rational" arguments
"Obey me or God will kill you". You claim to have rational arguments but that's the best you can come up with ? if you want people to think that you have rational arguments that are being unfairly neglected then you need to actually produce them.

I guess that your attack on the courts was just "the lowest form of propaganda" and proof that you really are full of hate.


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frako
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Message 813 of 1309 (741150)
11-10-2014 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 811 by Phat
11-10-2014 7:38 AM


Re: Pleasing The All Smitey
Gods wrath will come the day that I stop trying to do my best,

Ok so then we best make sure you keep doing your best, the worlds at stake so for starters lets start you off with a life coach with some BDSM equipment just to be safe

Christians now live in an age of grace and have no business running around like Old Testament prophets warning people to shape up.

I wouldn't mind if they where doing that with actual problems of todays society, like inequality, violence, pollution .... But they are mostly slowing societies progress, by fighting for inequality as in gays are not allowed to marry, they are at the front line when it comes to stopping us from shaping up and start doing something about climate change, and how many Christians would not mind if the middle east was turned in to a glass crater because those animals follow the wrong religion....


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Faith 
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Message 814 of 1309 (741151)
11-10-2014 8:26 AM
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11-10-2014 7:38 AM


Re: Pleasing The All Smitey
While I agree with you that our main job is to preach the gospel of Christ's love in dying for sinners, you are wrong about the reason for pointing out that the world is coming under God's wrath. It's meant as warning. Ezekiel says we will be responsible for the blood of those we don't warn when we see the sword coming. We should be seeing the sword coming in these days for sure, and if you don't I think you are out of touch with what's happening in the world.

It certainly has nothing to do with what YOU are doing, your best or not.

There's also always the hope, futile though it often turns out to be, that someone will actually come to see that some things regarded as "progressive" in these days, such as gay marriage, are in fact a very bad thing. That's the whole point of being "salt and light."

However, I do agree with you that it's easy to overemphasize all this, especially when encountering so much argument about every little thing as happens at EvC, and it's important to get back to the solution to the problem after describing the problem. I all too easily get way too deep into answering the odd objections people come up with here.

But besides nations coming under God's wrath, we're all individually under God's wrath until we are saved in Christ. That's why He died.

There's no way to understand the offer of grace until you understand that there's something to be saved FROM.

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jar
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Message 815 of 1309 (741152)
11-10-2014 8:44 AM
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11-10-2014 8:26 AM


God's Wrath?
Can you give us even a single example of God's Wrath so we might have an idea of what to expect? Historically the God you try to market seems to be pretty much bluff and blunder and incapable of even reaching annoyance stage much less fearsome stage.

Let's try to separate fact from fiction. It seems neither of the Biblical Floods happened, the Exodus was so minor that the folk living in the area did not even notice and the conquest of Canaan as described in Joshua pure fiction.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 816 of 1309 (741154)
11-10-2014 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 815 by jar
11-10-2014 8:44 AM


Re: God's Wrath?
Since you've got it all figured out that there's nothing to worry about, why should I answer you?

However, as I said to Phat, I generally can't resist answering objections here, so here's an example:

Many Christians, and even Abraham Lincoln, regarded the Civil War as God's judgment/wrath on the nation for slavery.

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jar
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Message 817 of 1309 (741155)
11-10-2014 9:05 AM
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11-10-2014 8:59 AM


Re: God's Wrath?
And many Christians supported slavery.

Can the God you market not make up her mind?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 818 of 1309 (741156)
11-10-2014 9:07 AM
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11-10-2014 9:05 AM


Re: God's Wrath?
Judgment begins at the house of God.

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jar
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Message 819 of 1309 (741157)
11-10-2014 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 818 by Faith
11-10-2014 9:07 AM


Re: God's Wrath?
LOL

And is there any meaning in that post?

Seriously Faith, you need to get over your phobias.

There is no reasoned argument for opposing same sex marriages and you have never presented one. The closest you have come is to try scare tactics from the God you market but even that god seems far less frightening then her worshipers.

Now they are pretty scary I'll admit.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 820 of 1309 (741158)
11-10-2014 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 814 by Faith
11-10-2014 8:26 AM


Re: Pleasing The All Smitey
Ezekiel says we will be responsible for the blood of those we don't warn when we see the sword coming.

So what does that mean, exactly? That you'll get thrown in Hell too, if you're not quite annoying enough to your neighbors? Or is there going to be guilt in Heaven? Perhaps it will just be some sort of status thing. Ewwww! Look! Faith's mansion is just covered in gold foil. What a slacker she must have been.

Gosh theology is fun.

There's no way to understand the offer of grace until you understand that there's something to be saved FROM.

So maybe God should send Guido the Legbreaker around more often. Kinda make sure we unnerstan' dere's sumpin' he really don't wanna hafta do. Or is that what the tornadoes are for? Worked with me, I'm never living in a trailer in the Bible belt.

Ain't it sad how people downsize their Gods to fit their own temperaments.


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Theodoric
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Message 821 of 1309 (741191)
11-10-2014 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 808 by Faith
11-09-2014 10:59 PM


Re: Yes it is the lowest kind of propaganda
Who was destroyed by god's wrath? Last month when I was there Massachusetts was doing quite well. How does one determine if a place has suffered some sort of divine wrath? No good kosher food?

If anyplace should suffer the wrath it should be MA. There is shellfish on the menu everywhere. Also, I think I saw a shirt made of cotton and polyester. I am surprised that person was not smote right before my eyes.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.


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Message 822 of 1309 (741205)
11-10-2014 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 799 by Faith
11-09-2014 6:52 PM


Re: Yes it is the lowest kind of propaganda
Request reliable evidence of official homosexual marriages in ancient Greece and in the Ottoman Empire. Thank you.

They are in history texts, and if you are truly interested you will do the research yourself.

You can start your search here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions

That lists many levels of unions around the world and through the ages, and it is sufficient to document that it occurred.

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Message 823 of 1309 (741255)
11-10-2014 5:33 PM
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11-10-2014 12:22 PM


Re: Yes it is the lowest kind of propaganda
But I'm not interested, RAZD, I'm only interested in official state-recognized marriages on a par with heterosexual marriages. It's becoming clear that I was right, they haven't existed in history, it's a new thing.

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Tangle
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Message 824 of 1309 (741256)
11-10-2014 5:51 PM
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11-10-2014 5:33 PM


Re: Yes it is the lowest kind of propaganda
Faith writes:

But I'm not interested, RAZD, I'm only interested in official state-recognized marriages on a par with heterosexual marriages. It's becoming clear that I was right, they haven't existed in history, it's a new thing.

State recognition of marriage is new. Until the mid 16th century to be married all that was necessary was for both to say that they are. Then the church got involved - mostly, you'll be pleased to know, Catholics. So of course, your lot didn't even recognise marriage between Catholic man and Catholic woman.

Marriage, Faith, is man made and defined by man - it means whatever we agree it means at any one time.

But for god's sake, don't let facts persuade you of anything.


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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 825 of 1309 (741270)
11-10-2014 9:37 PM
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11-10-2014 5:51 PM


ORe: Yes it is the lowest kind of propaganda
All I want to know is whether homosexual marriage has ever been recognized as legitimate in any culture prior to now. I don't think you answered that but I'm not at all sure what you were saying there.

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