Understanding through Discussion


Welcome! You are not logged in. [ Login ]
EvC Forum active members: 64 (9038 total)
249 online now:
DrJones*, nwr, Phat (AdminPhat), Pollux (4 members, 245 visitors)
Newest Member: Barry Deaborough
Post Volume: Total: 885,687 Year: 3,333/14,102 Month: 274/724 Week: 32/91 Day: 17/3 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The US Civil War as an example of God's Wrath.
Phat
Member
Posts: 15391
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 3 of 96 (741168)
11-10-2014 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
11-10-2014 10:17 AM


Marketing God As A Command
jar writes:

I do not doubt her claim at all but think it would be educational to see what that would say about the God she attempts to market.

As a Christian, do you think that every religion attempts to market their conceptualization and belief to others?

Would humanity and society become more healthy and--dare I say---empathetic towards one another?


Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo

One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo


This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by jar, posted 11-10-2014 10:17 AM jar has acknowledged this reply

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 15391
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 9 of 96 (741182)
11-10-2014 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
11-10-2014 10:53 AM


It seems like God had no direct hand in the wrath of the civil war, though. Seems like the combatants employed wrath towards one another.

Even Lincoln said that God essentially allowed them to have at it..."the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?"

It seems as if God is letting human nature take its course...according to Lincoln. Perhaps He will allow the same to happen with modern day sins and choices. There is no evidence that God causes any wrath...it appears that the wrath is hoisted by humans upon one another.

From a Creationist perspective, do you see God as having or needing to execute a direct intervention in human affairs? It seems we do a fairly good job of demonizing ourselves through our behaviors.


Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo

One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo


This message is a reply to:
 Message 4 by Faith, posted 11-10-2014 10:53 AM Faith has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 19 by Faith, posted 11-10-2014 1:03 PM Phat has not yet responded

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 15391
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 45 of 96 (741298)
11-11-2014 6:50 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by NoNukes
11-11-2014 6:28 AM


Re: one of these things is not like the other...
The allied casualties were something like four times as large as those of the axis countries. Yet Japan and Germany were utterly destroyed. Even if you discount the large number of Russian casualties, the allied total casualties were well over double those of the axis.
Are you sure about that? I looked at the statistics here....looks like China had 20 million deaths and Russia 25 million, but without those two the axis had way more deaths than the US and Britain. Again, I argue that God allows humans to manifest His wrath by not listening to His Spirit. His wrath is the direct result of our disobedience.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo

One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo


This message is a reply to:
 Message 43 by NoNukes, posted 11-11-2014 6:28 AM NoNukes has responded

Replies to this message:
 Message 48 by NoNukes, posted 11-11-2014 11:51 AM Phat has acknowledged this reply

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 15391
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 47 of 96 (741309)
11-11-2014 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by jar
11-11-2014 8:38 AM


Clarification Of Gods Wrath
You and I have discussed interpretation of religion and dogma many times, and I see this as an opportunity to do so yet again. Critics would ask how we have any way of knowing how GOD thinks, what His wrath might entail, and what sort of things we would have to do in order to tick Him off.

Lets start with the simple premise that God is Love. I would argue that God is Good, whereas others may argue that God is Complete---being both good and evil. I tend to see evil---even though created and/or allowed to exist by God as a choice that is not to our advantage to make.

Wrath is the result of human disobedience. Some argue that AIDS was an example of Gods wrath and judgement on society but I see it as a natural disease run amok. Some could argue, however, that death and destruction-in general-came about after the Fall.

What is the definition of wrath? Does free will allow for the knowledge of good and evil and the responsibility to avoid wrath?

Wrath(Websters)
: strong vengeful anger or indignation

: retributory punishment for an offense or a crime : divine chastisement


Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo

One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo


This message is a reply to:
 Message 46 by jar, posted 11-11-2014 8:38 AM jar has not yet responded

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2018 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.0 Beta
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2021